Pitty pats? I recall seeing Mosley's head snap back repeatedly throughout that fight. I watched the fight with no volume at a bar and everyone thought Oscar won. Oscar won atleast 2 of the last 4 rounds, and should have won 116-12.
Oscar was a complete fighter the first time they fought. The difference is that Mosley was nowhere near the fighter he was the first go-round. That Shane disappeared after the first round of the first Vernon Forrest fight and was never seen again. From then, Shane fought as if he was afraid of getting hit despite a rock solid chin... no combinations, nervous wasted energy, startled reaction whenever a clean shot landed on him... all the markings of a fighter with dented confidence.
what are you a *******? next thing you will say you watched in reverse outside in the rain and Mosley clearly tripped Oscar. (sorry man i could not resist) i thought SSM won, it was a close fight, to close to say it was a robbery either way. you could say you thought Oscar won . . . but to say he got robbed is stretching things
Here's the biggest difference between the 2 fights, and remember Oscar wasn't the same fighter either as he was before Mosley beat him the first time. The biggest difference was SIMPLE. Oscar didn't go after Mosley, he let mosley come to him. That is really it. Oscar always fought better going backwards and jabbing and countering. I even said after the first fight that Oscar needed to go backwards vs. shane instead of running right at him trying to KO him. Oscar's jab the second fight was giving shane fits. Shane couldn't set up, Oscar wasn't going to get caught up with trading with him too much, rather fight an intelligent boxing strategy, not brawling. Shane was so frustrated, he even asked dad in the 7th round between rounds "what do I do, do I box him?"
flex, there only needs to be a one point shift to make something a W versus a draw . . . so if you say you can see it being a draw then you cannot deny the probability that pernell won:deal
That was said in regards to someone saying people were persuaded by HBO sucking Oscar's dick. Which is complete bull**** because they had shane winning the first fight and were complimenting him all night that time. Now in the second fight, oscar was winning so they were complimenting his tactics and efforts. They had both fights right. As for robbery, no it wasn't as bad as the Trinidad robbery, shane did actually land some effective punches, but oscar outlanded him by such a wide margin and had shane looking hopeless most of the fight that there is no way he should have won that. The only way Mosley could've got that decision is if he knocked Oscar down atleast one time, and even then i would have said draw or Oscar by 1 point. Shane needed 2 10-8 rounds to even things up IMO.
Pernell didn't do enough to earn a win. I do see a draw OK though. He did make oscar miss a ton but oscar pushed the attack non stop that fight. And just to note, I had sturm winning 116-112 and mosley winning the first fight 115-113 maybe 116-112. Also had Mayweather winning the same and had Pac ahead every round in their fight.
But he fought Trinidad pretty much the same way. He had the ability to do what he did the first time out with Shane. He believed, though, that he could exert his size and strength on a fighter moving up two weight classes. He was wrong and made tactical adjustments for the rematch.
Fans tend to forget a component of scoring a fight is ring generalship. if one fight is out there flaying his arms around like an amateur and the other his controlling the fight, it is possible to win rounds with throwing very little. there is no shame in disagreeing, reasonable fans (like anyone else) can look at something and see slightly different things. I agree with you that PBF did a much better job and the differences in class was clear.
The trinidad fight for oscar was beautiful (minus the 11th and 12th, half of the 10th) That was boxing for what it was meant to be, hit and not get hit. I wish though that Oscar went at Tito like he did Mosley. Oscar had a better chin than tito and would bet on him KO'ing and getting to him first. I know people like to say oscar was scared of getting KO'd, which I don't believe he was at all, he was scared to lose thus implemented a near perfect fight plan to hit and not get hit. Oscar wasn't even really sitting down on his punches in that fight, but I swear Tito's knees were getting shakey in the 6th or 7th from a few of those blistering combos.
oscar shud have won the fight but the problem is that he cant box well off the back foot bc he looks scared with pity pat punches. like in round 1, oscar was marginally controlling it but shane landed a hard as$ hook which cud have stole the round. floyd for example runs and pity pats but hardly gets caught, so u simply cannot score it for opponents the judges gave shane more credit than he deserved bc oscar didnt throw with conviction....but yes it was a robbery