Oscar Weighing 145 Pounds for His Last Fight?

Everybody just leave it now.

Bottom line:

Manny Pacquiao beat a
1. SHOT Oscar who was 4 years removed from his prime (not even taking into account the dehydration) and looked terrible in his fight with Forbes.
2. Was dehydrated and required medical attention, looked like a dead ghost at the weigh in, and only put on 2lbs on fight night lol
3. At a weight he hadn't been at in almost a decade.

Therefore, it doesn't ****ing matter that this was Manny's first time fighting at 142lbs. The win against 'Oscar' AIN'T ****.

Deal with it. STFU. Full ****ing Stop.

 

Dude.....? :huh

Where does it say that Oscar should be @ 145 during the weigh-in?

And where does it say that Oscar should be @ 147 during fight night?

Do you even realize Oscar was 145 for more than 3 weeks? Do you know how much a fighter re-hydrates when he's accustomed to his drained weight for a period of time? atsch

 

We can strip down any fighters' wins or losses and pick them apart or build them up. Whatever suits your angle. But beating DLH is a big deal. Just because you don't want to accept and respect what it takes to beat someone like Oscar doesn't mean the win "AIN'T ****".:rofl It just means you aren't willing to give credit where it's due or you just don't have an understanding of the sweet science.

 

How do you know this is a 100% true?
2 pounds is equal to a big bottle of water ffs. If it is really true that he only gained 2lbs then he was either sick or there was a rehydration clause.

 

I think there's no such thing as getting accustomed to being drained. F&cked up situation..

 

F*cked-up or not, it doesn't matter. He found a way to make the weight, that's the point

Oscar being @ 145 for more then 3 weeks - of course he got accustomed with the weight. Being weight drained, yes, but he got accustomed with it that's why he didn't re-hydrate to the natural weight he should have been but instead his fight-night weight got closer to the weight he got accustomed during his training

 

Dude, when you drain in weight, it depends on the period of time you're in it. Oscar stayed too long @ 145 that's why he didn't rehydrate back. Some fighters only start to drain when the fights get closer. They don't drain much during intensive training. That's why they rehydrate much during fight night. Oscar didn't do that. He drained himself completely before he started training. His weight during fight-night became the end result of it.

 

I see what you mean here. Interesting point. The whole way Oscar and his team approached and executed the weight-losing thing didn't seem flawless.
Coming down from quite far he had to start cutting weight months in advance to keep it healthy, which he did.

But (if true) actually training the last 3 weeks at the weigh-in weight sounds very odd:huh:think

 

Yes that's my point. Why would he do that? Why would Oscar train drained for 3 weeks with his and his teams experience? That's my question.
It could make sense if there was a rehydration clause..

 

You're not telling me anything that I don't already know. I know he had to keep his weight down etc.

But you haven't given an answer to explain how he rehydrated 7-14 pounds for EVERY fight, apart from the Pac one.

Roach, Nacho and Dundee all expected him to rehydrate to between 10-15 pounds. Again, his camp went well, and he felt good, but after weighing 145, he only gained 2 more pounds. His body couldn't replenish properly.

Your argument isn't air tight in anyway. I've never said anything about over training etc.

Facts are facts.

At 154 he rehydrated around 10 pounds.

Because his target weigh in for Manny was 147 and below, his rehydration weight was expected to be higher.

He never rehydrated by only 2 pounds for any other fight.

Every fight it was 7-14, except for the Manny one.

It's not natural for a fighter to go to a weight he hasn't been at for 8 years, and then to only put on 2 pounds of weight in the last day and a half.

Once again, the last time Oscar weighed 147 on FIGHT NIGHT, was when he fought at 135-140.

You seem an intelligent guy, but you've wrote a whole lot of nothing without being able to answer my questions.

 

Good question, but I'm not sure if I can really answer that. I think that's the effect of him being a boxer-promoter. For what I know though, they had HBO 24/7 for that fight and Oscar was already at training when that program started.

 

You don't need to bite, I'm not a troll.

The reported penalty clause was for $3M for every pound over 147 at the day of the weigh in. He had to weigh in at a maximum weight of 147.

As long as he did that, then he could rehydrate to whatever the **** he wanted.

There wasn't a rehydration clause, that would be ****ing insane!

He weighed in at 145 and everyone was happy.

If he'd have weighed in at 146 or 147 everyone would have been happy.

Are you saying that had he weighed 148 or above on fight night, Roach etc would have gone mad?

Freddie Roach said "At 154, he normally rehydrates to 10 pounds, but with him having to go down to 147, it'll probably be more. We're looking at between 10-15 pounds."

That's what Freddie said. They expected his fight night weight to be between 157-162. But Freddie wasn't that concerned, because he knew Oscar was on the slide. He said "I don't think that he can pull the trigger anymore"

So they may have been a penalty clause, but it was for the official weigh in the day before the fight, it wasn't a rehydration clause.

Nobody is telling me that if Oscar had have weighed in at 149 on fight night, he'd have had to have paid $6M.

He could have rehydrated to whatever he wanted to, as long as he'd weighed in at a maximum of 147 at the weigh in.

My only argument here, is that he was ill. His body was depleted, and it wasn't natural for him to only gain 2 more pounds.

 

This isnt rocket science. You have a guy 10 years past prime, made himself get down to a weight he hasn't fought at in those years, doesn't rehydrate like he normally does. Even physically looks sick, eyes were glossy, skin was pale, body just looked unhealthy compared to how he used to look at that weight.
This was the by far worst Oscar de La hoya to ever step in a ring. You fight a ball of energy who is faster and hungrier and Oscar never had a shot in hell to win that fight. Even the snap in his punches were gone. Just watch a couple rounds of the Quartey fight or any fight back then and go watch the Pac fight, Oscar lost all of his pop.
It's actually amazing Pac didn't kill him in the ring or really hurt him. The volume of punches were starting to add up but give credit to Oscar for taking everything but the kitchen sink to his jaw for 8 rounds.

 

It's common knowledge that his fight night weight was 147. It's been well documented.

There wasn't a rehydration clause, nobody could ask that of a fighter in Oscar's position.

Again, Freddie expected him to rehydrate to between 10-15 pounds.

He rehydrated between 7-14 pounds for every other fight he had.

The last time he weighed 147 on fight night, was in the mid 90's.

His body was depleted against Manny. His target weight was 147, and he hadn't had to hit that for nearly 8 years. That's why people assumed he'd rehydrate more than the 10 pounds that he used to do at 154. The 2 pound weight gain wasn't natural. Look into it.

 

I don't know how anybody could dispute the first half of your post. :good