Oscars resume

I remember kaygb from other message boards a few years back, maybe 2003 when I got into boxing. The guy would only post to bash delahoya. I also remember some other guy named mikeraven, something like that. I used think these two were the same guy because they would constantly talk about delahoya. Now I see this Jack guy that post a lot about delahoya. I usually go into message boards to read other boxing fans opinions and their perspective about certain boxers and matchups but never have I seen so much hatred towards delahoya.

 

Not talking ATG, wins or loses, but just resume...

Floyd Mayweather - p4p best
Ricado Mayorga - WBC lightmiddleweight champ
Bernard Hopkins - undisputed middleweight champ w/ record defences. p4p 2
Felix Sturm - WBO middleweight champ
Shane Mosely - Avenement of a prior legitmate defeat
Yori Boy Campas
Fernando Vargas - unification of 154
Javier Castillego- WBC light middleweight champ
Arturo Gatti
Shane Mosely - WBC welterweight title
Derell Corely
Felix Trinidad - Welterweight unification

This is his last 12 fights. 7 of which were mega fights. The 3 in bold were against average fighters, but champions nonetheless, or gatti, who was still a name in himself (and a decent comback after a loss in terms of ppv figures). The 2 in italics were nobody's and can be written off (but all fighters have "tune-ups", so they can be forgiven).

Now granted he's only gone 7-5 out of these 12 fights, and possibly should be 6-6 (if you give the Sturm fight to Sturm). Although just as much a case can be made for a robbery in Mosely-Dela Hoya 2 (which I personally don't agree with)... thus making it 7-5, again.

All in all, whether or not he's an all time great, the man has fought the very best fighters of his era. And has been competitive in them all. And in some instances, gave entertaining fights.

But a 7-5, plus controversial wins over Whittaker and Quartey, and it is hard to say that he is an ATG (but what exactly IS an ATG? I've yet to be explained).

 

94' Jimmi Bredahl KO 10 (Wins IBO Super Featherweight Title Defends it Once)
Jorge Paez KO 2 (Wins IBO Lightweight Title and Defneds it 6 Times)

95' John-John Molina W 12
Rafeal Ruelas KO 2 (Wins and Unfies IBF and WBO Lightweight Title)
Gernado Hernadez KO 6 (Defends WBO Lightweight Title)
Jesse James Lejia KO 2 (Defends WBO Lightweight Title)

96' Julio Cesar Chavez KO 4 (Wins WBC Super Lightweight Title)

97' Miguel Angel Gonzales W 12 (Retains WBC Super Lightweight Title)*Undefeated
Pernall Sweet Pea Whitaker W 12 (Wins WBC Welterweight Title and Defends it 8 Times)
Hector Macho Camacho W 12 (Retains WBC Welterweight Title)
Wilfredo Rivera KO 8 (Retains WBC Welterweight Title)

98' Julio Cesar Chavez KO 8 (Defends WBC Welterweight Title)

99' Ike Bazooka Qaurtey W 12 (Defends WBC Welterweight title) *Undefaeted

O'Barr MotorCity Carr KO 11 (Defends WBC Welterweight)
Felix Tito Tranidad L 12 (WBC/ IBF Highly Controvesral Lost) *Undefeated

00' Sugar Shane Mosley L 12 (Very Close Competive Fight) *Undefeated

01' Arturo Gatti KO 6
Francscio Castillejo W 12 (Wins WBC Jr. Middelweight Title and Defends it 3 Times)
Franscio had not lost a fight in almost 5 years

02' Fernado El' Feroz Vargas KO 11(Wins and Unifies WBC/ WBA/ IBA Titles Defending Twice)

03' Luis Yory Boy Campas KO 7 (Retains WBC and WBA Titles)
Sugar Shane Mosley L 12 (Highly Controversal Loss)

04' Felix Strum W 12 (Wins WBO MiddleWeight Title)* Undefeated
Benard The Executioner Hopkins KO by 9 (For Undisputed World Middle Weight Title)


05' Richardo El' Matador Mayorga KO 6 (Wins WBC Jr. Middle Weight Title)

06'

Won Gold in 92' at Barcelona Olympics
Started at Superfeather Weight and won titles in 6 weight classes from Superfeather to Middle.
Fought 7 undeated champions defeating 5 of them.
Fought 7 P4P ranked fighters.
Faced 21 Champions
Was never dominated, always was in the fight.
Sought Out Only the Biggest, and Best Competion
So Very Few Choose to try.

A teacher once told me if you haven't lost you not facing the right challanges.

 

That looks about right :good

 

Hey, if we're going by official results here, an old DLH only lost by SD to apparently the P4P #1 fighter today.

Not bad for a 'good, not great fighter' :hey

 

Yeah, and Shane only beat Oscar by SD in the first fight... Mayweather clearly should have won a UD.

But true nonetheless. Dela Hoya gave the best fighter in the world in his prime a good fight while out of his prime. Not bad for a good but not great fighter

 

Touche!

 

You seriously do not know what you are talking about.

 

Oscar's resume is so deep there is no real way to head into this argument without needing to be here for several pages. With that said, you're full of crap.

 

This is exactly why Mayweather retired, he didnt want to end up 0-5 against the elite so he took the easiest way out, DLH on the other hand showed heart and heard the people and gave them what they wanted, so knock the man cus he took risk he will be more respected and is more respected than Floyd.

 

Hmmm maybe maybe not but one thing is for sure he'll always be 0-1 against him and PBF will have a better ranking on the ATG list as well.:deal

 

I agree. And the people he lost to have their share of losses as well, some just as many (Mosley) and one who faced his knock out loss to the same man to knock out Hoya (Trinidad). Only Mayweather avoided this the moment he saw the man he was to have a rematch with had his proper trainer back and was fighting the way he is made to fight. Possible loss to Hoya/possible loss to Cotto/ possible loss to Margo, all of them might deepened if bruised Mayweather's resume. Avoiding the loss makes your resume empty not better.

 

You people are ****ing delusional if you think an older Oscar with his old trainer is going to make a difference in a guy who has had over 40 fights like Oscar has. There is nothing Oscar could do any different in a rematch that would have made a difference. PBF is the smartest boxer in the game and would have figured out Oscar even sooner in the rematch. Hell he had the deck stacked in his favor the first time and still lost. He would still, be fustrated by PBF's speed, defense and movement. He would still fade down the stretch on cue, he's a 8 round fighter and PBF is a 15 round fighter. He would still let PBF dictate the pace of the fight. PBF beats Oscar 10/10 times he's simply better deal with it.:deal

 

Yeah, sure.

Oscar will be ko'd like Ricky,

Oscar's the best boxer Floyd ever faced and he lost on style imo. He had Roach dictate a fight plan which had nothing to do with using Oscar's strengths. Roach was just trying to duplicate a Castillo-like attack instead of focusing on Oscar's feet, circling Floyd towards his often dropped left hand, jabbing to open spaces, bringing Floyd out of his defence and into an offence. All this the idiot trainer neglected to do. Mayweather Sr. would have known from the beginning how to have picked apart Floyd as he was himself against Leonard.

 

More wishful thinking huh?
The real deal is that none of that **** would have worked gainst PBF because Oscar can't circle and move like that for more than 5 rounds and he would even tire out faster than he normally does by using that style you mentioned. Not to mention PBF is too smart to fall for a basic trap like that. Boxing 101 my friend and PBF is the teacher not the other way around.:deal