other mma organisations

good post beebs, rings do suck why not give fighters who are losing 1 timeout per round because that what they get everytime they get repositioned. some fighters dont like the cage because there isnt anywhere to run if your getting your ass beat, no rope to duck under or anything so you have to stay in there and grind it out or get pounded out

 

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Yet another reason fights should take place in a cage.

 

You, quite simply, do not know what the word organization means.

 

Would Pride have been any better if it was in a cage?

There is nothing wrong with fighting in a ring. They have been doing it for years and doing it fine.

 

Yes, much, there would be no stopping the ****ing fight and totally ruining the flow.

The best HW in the world wouldn't have fallen out of the ****ing ring in the biggest fight in the world at that time.

That **** is unacceptable, it is completely not reasonable for MMA.

Its a holdover from pro wrestling, and a huge detriment to the sport.

 

I really keep my eye on

UFC: the king pin of course

Strikeforce: they put on great fights but there priorities are a little off when it comes to promoting the right fighter during an event.

MFC: Its a Canadian Promotion but some great fights go on there, fighters like Jason Mcdonald, Patrick Cote, Marvin Eastman, and so on has fought there. Bobby Lashely actually competed in the last event.

Dream: A big name out there but criticized often

WEC: Owned by ZUFFA, and great fights go on there

Other than that keep your eye open on sherdog and look for fighters that you heard of and sdit back and enjoy the ride!!

 

How is it a huge detriment to the sport? As I have said you put Dream or K-1 heroes in a cage and that would be more a detriment to the sport as the fans wouldnt like it. Japanse Wrestling/Fighting has always been in a ring.

 

The best fighter in the world was inches from falling out of the ring, as dozens of people have, he could have broken a bone, lost the fight, hell even ended his career all because of the ring. That is the definition of terrible for the sport.

Fighters deliberately cheat with no punishment by ducking between the ropes, look at Sakuraba against smirnovas, ducking out of the ropes robbed Smirnovas of a great win, also terrible for the sport. Look at the last Affliction card; the Babalu fight had non stop ducking out of the ring, totally changed the flow of the fight. Also terrible for the sport.

Speaking of flow, stopping fighters, after they are molested by thousands of little Japanese men of course, completly changes the fight. If you are grappling with somebody and are allowed to stop, move, usually get into or out of a slightly better position, the fight has completly changed, that is terrible foe the sport, one of the worst aspects.

The only thing you say is good is that pro wreslting takes place in rings; that's one more reason to get rid of them. That mindset sets up the lowering from sport to circus act and fives us Fedor vs Zulu and Jose Canseco vs Choi, it's terrible for the sport.

The ring is a relic from other forms of fighting or circus acts; once people got together to figure out the best way to fight MMA, the cage was the only logical option. The ring is just the relic that serves no purpose for MMA. The ring offers no positives and a huge amount of significant negatives.

 

The ring had nothing to do with Sakuraba not losing that fight. He didnt lose cos the ref didnt stop it when he should have. Simple as that!!

The Fedor vs Zulu and Jose Canseco vs Choi fights would of happened regardless. They were not booked because of the ring. Do you think if Pride was in a cage the Fedor v Zulu fight wouldnt of happened?

 

yes actually i believe that pride wouldve been better had it been in a cage and dream also would be better in a cage tbh

 

He didn't stop it because Sak ducked under the rope so Smirnovas couldn't finish his half conscious opponent off. If that was in the cage, even that ref would have had to stop it.

What about all the other instances? The last Affliction? Sak was just one case in point, not the only one.

They might have happened, but what I was saying was that you think the connection with pro wrestling is a good aspect of a ring; in reality the pro wrestling connection is just bad, outside of fighters like Sak, Barnett, and Lesnar. The actual thought process and way of doing things though should have nothing to do with pro wrestling, so your saying that since pro wrestling has always been in a ring in japan that MMA should makes no sense.

What about all the other problems? The worlds greatest fighter almost falling onto a concrete floor in the biggest fight in the world at that time?

 

Who cares if MMA and pro-wrestling are in a ring? They are 2 different sports. Rugby and Football are both played on grass, so what.

Its not a matter of wrestling has always been done in a ring so thats how MMA should stay in Japan. Its more of the matter that MMA and Pro-wrestling in Japan are seen as more as one of the same. The lines are blurred. In america there is a clear distinction between pro-wrestling and MMA. In Japan there is not. MMA was born from pro-wrestling in Japan and u cant totally seperate the two.

The fact that no major MMA organisation in Japan has moved to a cage after so many years tells u something. The fans have watched pro-wrestling/mma/kickboxing in a ring for decades. I would be shocked if a mainstream MMA org in Japan decided that those decaded mean nothing and moved it to a cage. That would be a culture shock and it aint gonna happen.

 

No. They are NOT two different sports. One of them IS a sport and the other is theatre Pro wrestling is fake and choreographed. No pro wrestler is going to try to duck under the ropes to avoid getting hit. No pro-wrestling match has to be paused and resumed in the center of the ring. Jesus...

 

You aren't giving reasons why a ring is better, and you refuse to address the reasons it's worse. "that's the way it's always been" is not a good reason, it just shows that using a ring is based on something other than logic.

MMA orgs in Japan are also not doing well financially; Cage Force is definately one of the best second tier shows.

So how about you actually say why a ring should be used, rather than just saying that it is used in Japan.