Ottke and Calzaghe are a league above Ward at smw. Face it, Ward didn't dare to be gr

Herol is like this forums childish bratty younger brother that needs his ass kicked to smarten him up

 

'opportunity'
ɒpəˈtjuːnɪti
noun
a time or set of circumstances that makes it possible to do something.

Each entrant had the chance to try and establish themselves as the number 1 in the division. The super 6 offered them the possibility of being number one. There's nothing further to discuss here, if you can't tell the difference between opportunities and outcomes then that's your problem Herol.

 

Andre Ward ducked Lucian Bute.

He suggested Bute should fight Froch instead, which he did, and we all know the outcome.

Ward is hailed by his fans, the wardos, as the "delegation champ". He beats a couple of good fighters, then he delegates these leftovers to take new challengers on. The delegation champ.

Normally, that's what you call a duck. Real champs fight their fights themselves.

 

and it remains your problem if you think guys like Arthur Abraham fresh to the division genuinely thought they could be number 1 in a new division

 

So you think AA, a then undefeated and hard hitting middleweight world champion, didn't think he had any chance of winning a tournament at super middleweight? O.K...

 

he knew it, what I think isn't necessary.

 

that's the most accurate thing Herol has said in months :good

 

Herol is getting more deluded by the day

 

kliturd defines irony ^^

 

And how do you know what he 'knew'?

All evidence points to him having confidence in himself and having good reason to do so. Now stop with this foolishness. Or if you're going to insist on being silly at least inject a bit of humour into your posts.

 

there is little evidence to suggest he would have complete success amongast the SMW elite, apart from world success in another division. Furthermore to date Arthur STILL hasn't the evidence to suggest he competes with the SMW elite. He struggles to keep a title against subworld and world class even with gift decisions.

but heyho you think he knew he would definitely top the former unified smw title without any smw experience? amongst the other elite smws there.
ok.

you know what he didn't think for sure, that ok. If he was a rational man he knew he didn't have smw pedigree BECAUSE he didn't have any,

 

C'mon. I refuse to believe you're this stupid.

The fact he didn't turn out to be a great SMW is totally irrelevant. Lots of title holders move up and have success at the weight above. He clearly thought he would, hence why he moved up to compete in the S6.

Actually, why am I bothering to discuss this with you? I'm done here...

If anyone else wants to go round and round in circles with Herol as to whether the super 6 was a good opportunity for those involved then feel free to step in. I can't be bothered to repeatedly explain the obvious to him anymore.

 

You are referring to NOW and THEN as some kind of reason to disclude the NOW. Which is fair enough for part of the evidence today.


But the THEN evidence doesn't back you up either -he had no SMW pedigree at all on entering S6.
And the NOW doesn't back you up - he has yet to achieve elite SMW success or even consistent world SMW success.


You appear to be losing both sides. Small wonder you have repeatedly fallenback on throwing insults.

Your only stance is that of the often irrational superconfidence of an athlete who makes himself believe he is good enough, you are relying on that to sustain an argument that Abe was good enough to win S6. Its not enough to simply believe you are wining an argument, for instance. there needs to be rationality behind your belief.

 

Can someone explain to Herol that I never said AA was good enough? He seems to lose the ability to comprehend English when I respond to him.

He wonders why I say he's tiresome when he refuses to accept the obvious. There wasn't a consensus number 1 at 168, they had tournament with a number of contenders to find out who was. These entrants had their own reasons for thinking they'd be successful. Whether or not they were is irrelevant. He doesn't seem able to get that. I'm not sure why.