Ottke and Calzaghe are a league above Ward at smw. Face it, Ward didn't dare to be gr

Broken hands don't affect conditioning. Although you could be correct that Ward retreated more because of the broken hand and that is why he looked gassed later in the fight.

Others felt that the rough housing by the fighters took it's toll as the fight wore on.

http://news.gfl.tv/2011/12/ward-and-froch-and-the-anfractuous-path-to-greatness/

And I believe others felt as though Froch's body punching wore down Ward.

There are different theories about what happened and why it happened. Certainly a broken hand will affect things, no question. But just as Calzaghe and Hopkins likely have different versions about what happened with Hopkins' low blow incident, I accept what Ward said (hand broken) but that doesn't mean that I feel that's why he tired out. I just know I saw a fighter who looked tired late.

 

Let's hope so.

He won't reply back to me since I mentioned Bika.

Strange that.

 

Also on the "Ward tiring late" matter, it seems as though Froch feels like Ward fighting at SMW might be the culprit.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2013/may/26/carl-froch-mikkel-kessler

The implication here (in Froch's mind) seemingly being that the weight cut was draining energy from Ward.

This might not be the case for Ward at 175, but if he fought Calzaghe I'm assuming it would be at 168 pounds.

 

Let's discuss Joe's Lacy type beat down of Sakio Bika.

You know, the guy who has a 71" reach, who wasn't as fast or as skilled as Joe, who doesn't have huge power, and who's never had a single noteworthy win.

We're all waiting for your expertise.

 

Ok, I found more evidence/information about Ward and tiring later in fights. This is again from Carl Froch, but it discusses Froch's view of Ward in a variety of fights, not just the Froch-Ward fight.

I will not link the piece because it is on a site that BoxingForum24 does not want linked to.

This content is protected

So we're talking about more than one fight here and this is the opinion of a fighter himself.

I could look up more citations, but hopefully the point is clear. I have felt that Ward tires late in fights (at least as a SMW), and I am not alone in that opinion.

Would Calzaghe (back to the subject of the thread) "need" Ward to tire to beat him? No. But if Ward did tire late in a hypothetical match-up with Calzaghe as Ward does seem to have a tendency to do, then the match-up would, in my opinion, become even more lopsided in favor of Cazlaghe then. Hence my bringing up the Calzaghe-Lacy spectacle.

I never watched Ottke fight much. Just had no interest, never caught my attention. But I watched a good amount of Calzaghe's fights.

The interesting thing about Joe was that he had a significant amount of power early in his career, before hand troubles made him into more of the pitty-pat puncher we saw later. But when he wanted to throw hard and with bad intentions, he still could. He just didn't do it as much.

I can't think of any SMW in the last 30 years or so who had a higher workrate than Joe did. If you had any conditioning issues at all against Calzaghe, and you couldn't hurt him, there's no way you could beat him in my estimation.

It's that simple.

 

Sven never dared to leave Germany!:deal

 

I mean, I've seen some of his fights on YouTube but never really followed him at the time.

 

http://philadams.co/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/tumbleweed.jpg

http://www.sakiobika.tv/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Sakio2.jpg


:bbb

 

What a clown.

 

NewBoxingOrder,

Andre Ward:

Height - 6'0

Reach - 71"

Wins - 29

Draws - 0

Losses - 0


Sakio Bika:

Height - 6'0

Reach - 71"

Wins - 32

Draws - 3

Losses - 7


Bika:

Fights dirty inside like Andre sometimes does


Doesn't possess Andre's skills


Doesn't possess Andre's speed


Doesn't possess Andre's reflexes


Doesn't possess huge power


Never had a noteworthy win



Also:


Smaller reach than Calzaghe


Doesn't possess Calzaghe's skills


Doesn't possess Calzaghe's speed



Fought Calzaghe in 2006, in-between Lacy and Kessler


Result:

A very tough night for Calzaghe.


https://youtu.be/POCxyi5rTbk



Your deluded fantasy has been destroyed.


Time for you to pack up and go home.


Bye bye then.



:hi:

 

Calzaghe maybe but not Ottke who IMO should have lost twice to Brewer and lets not get into the Robin Reid farcical refereeing.

 

:deal

 

In terms of ability, Glen Johnson was nowhere near Joe's level. But at 175, I think he could have given Joe a great fight.

Thoughts?

 

Ward beats Ottke but loses to Calzaghe.

 

Johnson can give anyone at 168-175 on his day a run for their money.