Outboxing Jeffries - What Fighters Can Duplicate...

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  1. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Corbett's 23 round outboxing of Jeffries before being caught?

    Could Ali dance around Jeffries for 23 rounds?
     
  2. radianttwilight

    radianttwilight Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think so, but that's keeping in mind that a fight of 15+ rounds is fought at a considerably slower pace than one of less than 15 rounds.
     
  3. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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  4. UpWithEvil

    UpWithEvil Active Member Full Member

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    Still, Jeffries was considered to have remarkable stamina even by the durable standards of his day. In the surviving ~16 minutes of footage I've seen of the 1899 rematch with Tom Sharkey, both men are clearly putting out an enormous amount of energy. This is consistent with the newspaper reports of the fight.
     
  5. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    No, Ali couldn't do that for 23 rounds, as he'd TKO him in the 1st.
     
  6. Dempsey1238

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    16 mins?? Wasnt it just looped? Or did you find a better copy
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  7. Sonny's jab

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    Corbett was over-the-hill and coming off a long layoff. Maybe records are incomplete but Corbett was famous and I'm sure historians would have unearthed any tune-ups bouts he had for Jeffries. Maybe he was already more interested in vaudeville and theatre, where he made himself a very successful career.

    Corbett must have been tough though, to go 23 rounds. It's hard to say who else would have done so, but this over-the-hill rusty Corbett did so, so maybe Jeffries was beatable after all.
     
  8. Russell

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    Probably had more to do with Corbett being far more of a boxer than Jeffries ever was.

    Him outboxing and not overpowering or manhandling Jim was the entire point of Jeffries eventual win there.
     
  9. RafaelGonzal

    RafaelGonzal Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Jeffries according to the History books couldnt box his way out of a paper bag
    he relied on Brawn endurance and strength to wear down his opponents maul and pummel them with his strength and size.

    Many times he was getting outboxed and would finally catch his man and then club him into submission.

    Boxing skills he had some rudimentary skills just to get by, a kind of low crouch weaving his way in to smash you and that was the extent of it according to legend.
     
  10. Mendoza

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    This fight is totally misunderstood, and I blame Corbett's exaggerations and the internet taking Corbett's word and not researching the fight.

    The truth is Corbett, 33 was in fine shape and pulled off what his supporters claimed was his best ring performance. Jeffries vs Corbett was a close going into the 23 round. Jeffries has already won say about 10 rounds, had Corbett down in the 19th. Corbett's boast of being up 22-0 is a complete fabrication.

    Here is a download link to read a full round by round of the fight. Read it to get a clear picture of how the fight went down.

    [url]http://www.megaupload.com/?d=VHCYSMO6[/url]

    The re-match between the two was not close at all. Corbett was past it by then, and Jeffries had picked up a good amount of skill since.

    No, Ali could not dance for 23 rounds. He'd tire out well before that, and Jeffries body shots might have been harder than Fraziers as they broke ribs, and scored stoppages.
     
  11. Sonny's jab

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    According to the record books, Corbett hadn't won a fight in over SIX YEARS, going in to the first fight with Jeffries.
    He'd last been in a real bout 18 months earlier where I believe he took a bit of a pummelling from Tom Sharkey before losing on a foul. And 18 months before THAT he'd been KO'd by Bob Fitzsimmons.
     
  12. Luigi1985

    Luigi1985 Cane Corso Full Member

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    But, from what I read, Corbett put on a stellar performance, he was well prepared, and fought a smart fight, it was one of his finest performances, this Corbett from that night is very underrated, he would have outboxed many ATG´s, I wrote this now because it´s not so that Jeffries was outboxed by a drunken taxi-driver or so...
     
  13. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    My impression is that Jeffries was (around that time) was a pretty poor boxer who got by on his extraordinary size (for his time he was a giant), stamina and endurance. Considering Corbett had been knocked out by a supermiddleweight and not won a fight in many years, i think most great heavyweights would've outboxed Jeffries.
     
  14. Luigi1985

    Luigi1985 Cane Corso Full Member

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    But he wasn´t hurt or stunned by shots against his chin, he was surprised by the Solar- Plexus- Puch, he wasn´t prepared for that kind of punch...
     
  15. Sonny's jab

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    I dont know that Corbett outboxed him at all. That's not the point.

    I'm simply saying that I cant give Jeffries much credit for beating the guy.
    Two losses in the last six years was the "recent record" he brought to the ring.

    Dempsey and Louis get tons of criticism over things like these, but in Jeffries case these things are even worse and more typical.
    Johnson gets no credit for beating Jeffries, but Jeffries gets credit for beating Corbett.

    I think LAYOFFS matter. I'm not saying Corbett didn't perform well, but I'm very very skeptical about how close to his best he was.