Outside of the top 3 HW's, does this era have the best ever HW's outside the elite?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Kevin McBride, Oct 6, 2010.


  1. Outside of the Klit brothers and Haye I see a damn strong list of HW's below those compared to previous years, I'm not saying the top 3 is the best ever but I find it hard to believe that ever in boxing that the HW gatekeepers have been so strong.

    I would honestly like to see anybody make a case for why the current gatekeepers are worse than any other era?

    Adamek, Chagaev, Povetkin, Valuev, Thompson
    Chambers, Peter, Arreola, Helenius, Sosnowski, Carlos Gomez ,Ustinov, Platov, Johnson, Guinn, Pulev, Pajkic, Sexton, Mormeck ,Dimitrenko, Chisora, Boytsov , Austin, EstradaSolis, Pianeta Ibragimov and a host of verterns and other up and comers.

    If anybody tries to say a scrawny bum like Henry Cooper is any better than the above then they really should consider why they are actually on a boxing fans forum.
     
  2. FlatNose

    FlatNose Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You ask someone to tell you why the heavyweights today are so terrible , but yet warn that if you don't get the right answer, the person who answers doesn't know what they're talking about.
    You've already made up your mind, you're not looking for a discussion , so whats the point ?
     
  3. TommyV

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    So you think Sam Sexton, Oleg Platov and Dominick Guinn are better than Cooper do you?
     
  4. cilldara11

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    Agree with Flatnose that you really have already made your mind up. Your OP shouldn't contain any question marks if you're just making a statement.

    On the other hand I agree that there are a string of contenders, has beens and up and comers when you tally them all up as you did.

    The argument is that we forget just how good some guys in the top 30 were in the 50's, 60's, 70's and even the 80's.

    For example we may know of certain contenders right now, but in 20 years time they won't be remembered. So from that pov, how do you know you're not grossly over-rating the current crop?
     
  5. haglerwon

    haglerwon Official GTMSBT Marquez Full Member

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    No.

    This era does have the most pervasive media, though. Just because you know their names it doesn't mean that they are special.
     

  6. Probably, why not? To be honest i'm using Cooper as an example, he would struggle at crusierweight now, was he ever heavier than 14 stone in his prime? His record says he lost 14 times yet he fought the greatest twice, compare his record to the elite heavier HW contenders about now and he doesn't look great.
     
  7. TommyV

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    :lol:
     
  8. Kalasinn

    Kalasinn ♧ OG Kally ♤ Full Member

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    That list looks like a heap of steaming dog turd to me.
     

  9. How did you work that out? Cooper is a nobody who lost 14 times, was barely a Cruiserweight but even today he is known around the boxing world even today as somehow a HW great.

    Yet now we have to put up with pay per view/subscription where a lot of top boxers don't get the hype they deserve.
    In my mind Cooper if a fighter today would be a domestic fighter at crusierweight and nothing more.
     

  10. Go on then, lets see your list of previous era's that were better. I would love to see it with a proper argument, I really would. Don't forget I have left out the veteran name fighters that could easily be used to make up my list and erm "cough" Audley Harrison.
     
  11. TommyV

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    Nobody remembers Cooper as a heavyweight great. You are making out like he was one of the top HW's of his era, nobody else. And who cares how many times he lost? Is that how you judge fighters records? Besides, look at who he fought.
     
  12. TommyV

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    Are you really trying to argue that the contenders around now or in the last few years are better than the likes of Young, Quarry, Norton, Ellis, Bonavena, Lyle, Shavers etc from the 70's?
     

  13. Adamek, 42-1 (27 KO's) He is the former WBC world Light heavyweight champion and the former IBF , IBO and the Ring magazine cruiserweight champion. 42-1 (27 KO's)

    Chagaev, 26-1-1 (17KO's)

    Povetkin,19-0-0 (14 KO's) Gold olympic champion.
    Valuev, 50-2-0 ( 34 KO's)
    Thompson 34-2-0 (KO's 22)
    Chambers, 35-2-0 (KO's 18)
    Peter, 34-4-0 (27 KO's)
    Arreola,29-2-0 (KO's 25)
    Helenius, 13-0-0 (ko's 8)
    Sosnowski, 46-3-1 (KO's 28)
    Carlos Gomez , 47-2-0 ( KO's36)
    Ustinov, 21-0-0 Ko's 16


    I'm not going through the rest of the contenders but you get the point, these guys in the top 30 are no mugs.

    Platov, Johnson, Guinn, Pulev, Pajkic, Sexton, Mormeck ,Dimitrenko, Chisora, Boytsov , Austin, EstradaSolis, Pianeta Ibragimov
     
  14. Beezy

    Beezy 2 Eazzy Full Member

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    Yeah.. you Kevin!! Hoorraaaayyyy!!!!:happy
     
  15. elchivito

    elchivito master betty Full Member

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    That scrawny bum was European and British Champ you dumbass. Yes maybe acouple from today might of been competitive, but if you think this is about size and weight you don't know ****. And your also mixing up contenders like Adamek, Povetkin, Arreola, Estrada, Solis, and Boytsov with journeymen and gatekeepers. No one is sayin Cooper would of whipped all the bunch, but depending on the style from the bunch he would of still beaten afew. Don't overrate fighters that look talented against bums when they haven't been tested yet. Cooper has.