Outside the HW division, has anyone ever overcame a bigger size gap than Pac-DLH?

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Duran-Hagler: Duran started at 120. He fought Hagler at 160.

Jones-Ruiz: In 1991, Jones fought once below the Light Middleweight limit. He also fought once at Heavyweight...was 193 lbs against 226 Ruiz. Difference: 49 lbs.

Toney-Peter: Toney started at 160 in 1990. He was 233 pounds against Sam Peter (who was 257) in 2006.


Other ones:

Mayweather - De la Hoya

De la Hoya - Hopkins

Robinson - Joey Maxim

Sam Langford - Bill Tate (Tate was a tomato can)

 

No. Pacman started at 105 pounds.

 

i think cazares would win this time around...his team would readjust with their mistakes in the first fight and its highly possible he even KOs calderon this time around. I had their first fight a draw btw..

gotta love calderon, he's one of the best current pure boxers there is, cazares was a huge tall light flyweight

 

Pacman-DLH would be one of the biggest examples in history of size gap. I agree with you.

In most cases, however, the fighter who came up lost:

-De la Hoya was beat by Hopkins.

-Robinson lost against Maxim.

-Toney was defeated by Peter.

-Duran was clearly defeated by Hagler.

Mayweather could beat DLH because the size gap wasn't so much. Langford beat Tate and many other heavyweights because they weren't so good. Jones defeated Ruiz.

I think Pacman will be beat by De la Hoya.

 

George Carpentier started his career as a featherweight.

He went on to become the Light Heavyweight Champion of the World and the Heavyweight Champion of France.

 

I think what gets lost with Pac jumping in weight is how he looks everytime he jumps in weight. IMO he sacrifices little in speed at 135 because he just looks so natural in that weight everytime. Unlike Duran, Pac looks ripped when he jumps up, it is as if he is still growing...not just gaining weight. People like to bring up that Pac started at 106. Even when he first fought MAB he looked like a kid who was still going thru puberty. Simply put, he started at 106 because he was a street kid off the street from a developing country. Suffice to say, you just dont get alotta girth living off pieces of bread and handouts of rice. Now that he's got world class training and nutrition for the better part of the decade, it seems Pac's natural weight all along was at the 126-135 range.

Now to me, him facing Hoya isn't an assured losing proposition. He's got a couple of pronounced advantages over Hoya on the same level that Hoya has over Pac with his reach and weight. At 144-148 (Pac's fighting weight over the past couple of years), we've seen that his speed is still there. In fact, his relative speed will increase the bigger his opponents will get, ie---David Diaz.

Now people will say, Hoya fought Floyd....so he wont be bothered with Pac's speed. I say Floyd IS fast...but he fought most of his fights at welter. Floyd fights at the speed of welters...with him being on the fast end. Now Pac, fought most of his career at bantam, feather, superfeather, and now lightweight(with him being on the top end)....its just a whole different ballgame in terms of speed and pace. For this fight, he will be fighting in that same kind of pace because he will be fighting Hoya pretty much around the same weight he usually fights---upper 140's. In that context, I really think Pac will be just as hard to hit for Hoya as was Floyd, add to that Pac is a much smaller man and will be even harder to hit. Conversely, Pac will find it easy to tag Hoya. Can he hurt Oscar? Probably not initially, but you hit someone enough times...you know what happens.

Another definitive advantage Pac has is stamina. Pac's in-and-out style requires him to have alotta of stamina. This was the problem Cotto ran into...he just ran out of gas. Pac doesnt. Dont mistake him breathing heavy at times for losing stamina. His constant movement is conducive to eventually breathing heavy, but make no mistake about it...its not him getting gassed. Now Hoya? Well lets just say, stamina isn't one of his stronger attributes.

Now styles. The arguement here is that Pac's "brawling" will be his undoing. The smart money is that Pac wont engage a man outweighing him by 20lbs to an all-out brawl. Just isnt very logical isnt it? Some say that Oscar will catch Pac on the way in. I say, if much faster feathers and superfeathers have had trouble doing that, what would make a 35 year old Hoya fare any better? The times when Pac got tagged clean is when he is made to miss and gets countered, or when he IS in an all-out brawl. With that said, I doubt Pac will miss much against Hoya and I doubt he will engage Hoya in an all-out brawl. Hoya will find a hard time catching Pac clean for 2 general reasons---1) Pac should be able to see his punches, and 2)....really, Oscar won't have a stationary target. I can see Pac, circling him all fight long.

There ya go, I said my piece. And I honestly do believe, Pac has a legit chance of pulling this off.

 

ok..no disrespect bro, are you saying pac will outbox hoya just like what mayweather did? And are you saying pac would be able to avoid and dodge most of hoya's punches?

 

srl vs. lalonde at lhw

 

It's like this---when the guy has 20 lbs on you, the gameplan has to be tweaked alittle. Box? Of course he has to...but like Floyd? No...pac has to stay off the ropes and also maintain his aggressiveness. He has to selectively flurry and press when Hoya is trying to rest.Yes circle and move and not let Hoya set up on his shots on a stationary target. The danger for Pac here is getting caught clean(all it really takes is one from Hoya). Pac aint Floyd, Pac has to employ a boxer-puncher strategy here in the mold of MAB. He's at a punch resistance disadvantage here, so obviously he has to be more defensive minded, but on the other hand he has an all-encompassing speed advantage that would makes it easier for him to tag Hoya. So he has to box and selectively engage.

 

thanks for explaining..:good

anyway how do you think pac deals with one of oscars best weapons? his jab mainly? As you all know, oscar has one of the best jabs in the sport