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Those who backed him against Cotto can pat themselves on the back.

As for Oscar, people need to stop treating that a legitimate W.

That was a sideshow exhibition match, even if people assumed leading up that Oscar would be too big and still had enough left. He didn't, and it was plain from the weigh-in (and Roach even commented on it at the time) what poor shape he was in.

 

Exactly. Every one of those opponents were a big risk and had he lost to any of them, you would get just as much saying it was dumb matchmaking. Just like Dana White said Pac-JMM 4 was dumb matchmaking, yet had Pac knocked him out it would have been "cherrypicking".

ODLH was a big risk, no one had any idea how Pac would deal with the weight and even Roach was worried. They took the risk and reaped the rewards. Cotto again was a risk, Pac was still considered small then and his last fight was at 140 weighing 138 for the fight, if ODLH was drained and Hatton was shot, Cotto was a real test. For the first 5 rounds it looked that way. Clottey could be classed as dumb matchmaking, a big strong guy who was top 3 at WW H2H going up against an undersized Pac for not much reward for Pac at all, not financially or legacy wise. Pac-Hatton, Pac was only 2-1 fav for the fight is a lot of bookies, says it all really.

If any of those guys had beaten Pac, people would have accepted it and say they expected it. As he beat them, careful matchmaking.

Who can you really claim Pac have ducked? Maybe Guzman after he beat Soto, but Guzman stunk out the joint and financially that fight was never there. Arum was hoping Soto would win, building him up as the next Morales and will have a Mexican fanbase. At 140 he has 1 fight there, beat BOTH the best of the current generation, Bradley, and the best of the previous one, Hatton. (I know he fought Bradley at 147). Cleaned 147 and beat every big name there the past 5 years outside of Floyd due to health/safety reasons.

 

Please supply your post and betting slip for Oscar post weigh in, along with everyone else who backed Oscar.

The weight drained excuse has got to be the shittest in history. Lets just use it for everyones big wins, Corrales-Floyd, Toney-RJJ, SRL-Duran and the list goes on.


The crazy thing is, everyone justified their excuse for the weight drain by saying Pac couldn't beat any other top 10 WW. Pac goes on to dominate WW, maybe he was just that good? He dominated Cotto, Hatton, Clottey, Margo, past it Mosley...wtf couldnt he dominate a past it Oscar?

 

Uh, watch the fight and then watch some of Oscar's actual career and tell me it's the same guy in there.

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I don't think the weight drain excuse is bad in terms of Pacquaio vs Oscar since PAC outweighed him on fight night. Those that picked Oscar thought he would have a massive weight advantage.

I think the weight drain excuse shouldn't be used for the Cotto fight though and that is a very good win for Pacquaio.

 

It was a massive win nonetheless, and shouldn't be discredited. Not too many other former 106lbers could have done the same. I picked against Manny for DLH, Cotto and thought he might beat Hatton by MD.

 

FORTY years old! Vitali. JMM. Hopkins. That's how bad today's champions are. When FORTY year old fighters still dominate, the divisions they are in are crap. It's not just the Heavyweights. Pac is overhyped and he's going to fight the old man again and then mark my words he'll be ATG again for beating a FORTY ONE year old. Everyone says look at the names he's fought. EXACTLY. Just names of a weak boxing era or of an era already past.

 

I'm actually with IB (and others) in regards to the Oscar fight particularly, but yeah you can pick apart a good portion of most CV's with: drained, out of 'natural' division, green, shot and faded. In addition to questioning how good X fighter was and pointing out any type of even half-legitimate holes in his style or ability/skills to reach the conclusion of the win not meaning much.

 

Um how about

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