Overall, has boxing been good or bad for society?

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  1. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    An odd question to ask on a boxing forum, I know. But try to be objective.

    On one hand, boxing has certainly provided generations of people with a rich historical tradition, some great spectacles, and in many cases, a way out of poverty for young athletic men. Community centers and prisons alike have also used it (with varying degrees of success) to encourage discipline, focus, hard work, etc.

    On the other hand, professional boxing damages athletes' brains, and has always provided an income source for the seedier elements of society -- from 19th century English gangsters to the American Mafia to Don King. It's also profited from (and exacerbated) ethnic conflicts throughout its history.



    So...good, bad, or somewhere in between? What would a world without boxing be like?
     
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  2. BillB

    BillB Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Neither.
    Boxing is entertainment, like all sports.
    It's never cured a cancer or grew hair on a bald head.
    It's just entertainment.
     
  3. hookfromhell

    hookfromhell Well-Known Member Full Member

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    As civilized as society may appear, most people don't know what century it is.
    People are still very primitive, as is boxing. However, as dangerous as boxing is
    it has evolved out of the old gladiator days to bareknuckle brawl etc.
    Boxing is good though , because we all love it right.
     
  4. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Entertainment can still have positive or negative effects on society, though.

    For instance, on opposite ends of the scale: theatre and bear baiting.
     
  5. BillB

    BillB Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Your examples prove my point.
    Entertainment has a neutral effect on society because it's perceived value is subjective.
    I would rather go bear hunting than go to the theater.
    For me bear hunting would be fun. An evening at the theater would be boring.
    Some people will have the opposite reactions.
     
  6. Pachilles

    Pachilles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I look at things like boxing and prostitution as two raw, honest trades. The embodiment of human nature. In any job role you're partaking in aggressive, ruthless competition, whether for personal advancement or for your company. Everything we do, we do for wealth and ***. Anyone taking the moral high ground is full of ****ing ****.

    And on the ethnic point i'd say it's a double edged sword. Sport is the racial equalizer...you go in there and the best man wins. Boxing has made a lot of minorities heroes. Just look at Joe Louis. In a time of racial inequalities, a black man championed the West against the Nazi's. Symbolic than a mother ****er
     
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  7. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Good and thoughtful thread. Good stuff OP
     
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  8. TheSouthpaw

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    Well if you go all the way back to when Louis fought Schmeling to see how that fight brought together all americans...black and white old and young its quit a feat!!

    Then fast forward about 40 years you can see how Tyson losing to Douglas had everyone on earth in shock!! I remember for the next few weeks thats all anyone talked about.

    So boxing has always had an impact on society..maybe not here lately tho!
     
  9. tennis

    tennis Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's a sports science

    As opposed to something like mma which is legalised savagery

    There is skill in Brazilian jujitsu

    But watching two men roll around on the floor for ten minutes ain't my cup of tea thnx

    I'd argue boxing is good for society and my example would be someone like Bernard Hopkins

    Who used the discipline of boxing to better himself
     
  10. TheSouthpaw

    TheSouthpaw Champion Full Member

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    Well if you go all the way back to when Louis fought Schmeling to see how that fight brought together all americans...black and white old and young its quit a feat!!

    Then fast forward about 40 years you can see how Tyson losing to Douglas had everyone on earth in shock!! I remember for the next few weeks thats all anyone talked about.

    So boxing has always had an impact on society..maybe not here lately tho!
     
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  12. Doc Dynamo

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    But bear baiting was a part of the society who's theater gave us Shakespeare, Marlowe and Johnson. Now we have no bear baiting and our theater produces... nothing much. So was bear baiting really bad for society?

    It was bad for the bears.
     
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  13. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    This is kind of my take on it!
     
  14. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    I'm more concerned with society's detrimental effects upon boxing.

    **** society, give me boxing.
     
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  15. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    I can see the posters now: "Support Your Local Theater: Torture a Bear."