OVERALL: Who's a better boxer, Dmitry Bivol or Terence Crawford?

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OVERALL: Who's a better boxer, Dmitry Bivol or Terence Crawford?

Poll closed Jun 7, 2023.

  1. Dmitry Bivol

    61 vote(s)
    70.1%

  2. Terence Crawford

    26 vote(s)
    29.9%
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  1. Fourth_Horseman

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    Both Bivol and Crawford have been in the witness protection program for a while. Bivol is hoping that Beterbiev dies of old age and Crawford is hoping for another car accident for Spence before making any commitments.
     
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  2. Olu G. Rotimi

    Olu G. Rotimi The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council Full Member

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    Bivol’s has better fundamentals as a boxer whereas Crawford is the more athletically gifted boxer. The real question is who is the better boxer between Erroll Spence Jr and Dmitry Bivol?
     
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  3. senpai

    senpai Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Bud has higher ring IQ and he will beat Bivol at any weight P4P
     
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  4. Olu G. Rotimi

    Olu G. Rotimi The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council Full Member

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    I am not certain about Crawford and the puncher thing but I do feel his opposition when fought them in all 3 divisions have not been at his level. He is very good but as a boxer both Bivol and Spence have better fundamentals so if they were all the same size in order for him to beat Spence or Bivol he would need to pull a Sugar Ray Loeonard on Hearns in their first fight which with all due respect he is not capable of. That’s my view.
     
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  5. Olu G. Rotimi

    Olu G. Rotimi The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council Full Member

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    His power is respectable as Canelo was not able to walk through it.
     
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  6. deadACE

    deadACE Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Bivol is the better boxer. Crawford's the better fighter.

    2 different approaches makes it hard to compare. Bivol trying to win a boxing contest and Crawford trying to win a fight, for me is difference.

    Bivol has the Canelo win, that's better than anything on Crawfords resume. I don't put that much weight behind the Canelo win but Crawford resume is quite thin for top wins.

    Both haven't faced the best in their divisions. That's probably the best benchmark of how good overall.
     
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  7. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Crawford is one of the most mediocre P4P fighters I've seen in recent memory. Isn't he 35 right now ? And hes yet to have a single standout win over an elite name.
     
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  8. mono

    mono Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I voted Bud cause I enjoy watching him fight more. Bivol might look like the better boxer because he doesn’t get hit as much, but that’s because he is way too content to just get the decision.
     
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  9. Serge

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    Bivol is #4 on the overall plus minus stats, as skillful as Crawford is he doesn't make the top 10, and very surprisingly for me because I have him top 3 P4P and he is one of the most skilled fighters in the game, doesn't feature in the top 10 at all in many categories

    Obviously you have to factor in level of competition and size

    For example. Loma was smashing the plus minus rating racking up Floyd numbers when he was facing opponents who weren't way bigger and longer than him at 126 and 130 and he's still #3 overall only ranked behind Shakur and Benavidez who are big/huge for their respective weight classes and have fought much worse opposition than him. Size and quality of opposition matters. That's what I'm talking about.


    PLUS MINUS
    +/-

    SHAKUR STEVENSON
    +20.3
    DAVID BENAVIDEZ
    +17.6
    VASILIY LOMACHENKO
    +17.5
    DMITRY BIVOL
    +17
    GERVONTA DAVIS
    +14
    NAOYA INOUE
    +13.9
    SAUL ALVAREZ
    +12.5
    DEMETRIUS ANDRADE
    +12.4
    DEVIN HANEY
    +12.3
    KAZUTO IOKA
    +12

    AVG TOTAL PUNCHES THROWN/ROUND
    PUNCHES

    ROMAN GONZALEZ
    87.6
    BRANDON FIGUEROA
    86.4
    LEO SANTA-CRUZ
    84.9
    JOSHUA FRANCO
    82.6
    JOE JOYCE
    79.8
    MICKEY ROMAN
    75.4
    JUAN FRANCISCO ESTRADA
    74.5
    CARLOS CUADRAS
    73.4
    FRANCISCO VARGAS
    72.6
    SRISAKET SOR-RUNGVISAI
    72.5



    AVG TOTAL PUNCHES LANDED/ROUND
    PUNCHES

    ROMAN GONZALEZ
    31.4
    LEO SANTA-CRUZ
    29.4
    BRANDON FIGUEROA
    26.1
    MICKEY ROMAN
    25.6
    JUAN FRANCISCO ESTRADA
    24.7
    DAVID BENAVIDEZ
    24.5
    GENNADY GOLOVKIN
    23.2
    FRANCISCO VARGAS
    22.7
    JOE JOYCE
    22.3
    NAOYA INOUE
    22.3



    TOTAL CONNECT PERCENTAGE
    PERCENTAGE

    DAVID BENAVIDEZ
    38.4%
    GENNADY GOLOVKIN
    36.5%
    VASILIY LOMACHENKO
    36%
    ROMAN GONZALEZ
    35.8%
    BADOU JACK
    35.6%
    ANTHONY DIRRELL
    35.5%
    SAUL ALVAREZ
    35.5%
    GERVONTA DAVIS
    35%
    NAOYA INOUE
    34.7%
    JULIAN WILLIAMS
    34.7%


    AVG JAB THROWN/ROUND
    PUNCHES

    KID GALAHAD
    40
    JOE JOYCE
    38.7
    KENSHIRO TERAJI
    38.3
    OLEKSANDR USYK
    38.2
    REGIS PROGRAIS
    38.1
    JAMAL JAMES
    37
    DMITRY BIVOL
    36.3
    CALLUM SMITH
    35.1
    ERROL SPENCE
    34.4
    CARLOS CUADRAS
    33.9



    AVG JAB LANDED/ROUND
    PUNCHES

    GENNADY GOLOVKIN
    9.9
    DMITRY BIVOL
    8.6
    JOE JOYCE
    8.5
    NAOYA INOUE
    8.5
    KID GALAHAD
    7.9
    OLEKSANDR USYK
    6.8
    LEO SANTA-CRUZ
    6.7
    CALLUM SMITH
    6.6
    LIAM SMITH
    6.6
    VASILIY LOMACHENKO
    6.5



    JAB CONNECT PERCENTAGE
    PERCENTAGE

    GENNADY GOLOVKIN
    30%
    DEONTAY WILDER
    27.3%
    ANTHONY DIRRELL
    25.9%
    DAVID BENAVIDEZ
    25.9%
    NAOYA INOUE
    25.5%
    ANTHONY JOSHUA
    25.3%
    DEVIN HANEY
    24.8%
    TONY HARRISON
    24.5%
    VASILIY LOMACHENKO
    24.3%
    DMITRY BIVOL
    23.7%



    AVG POWER THROWN/ROUND
    PUNCHES

    ROMAN GONZALEZ
    64.5
    BRANDON FIGUEROA
    63.3
    MICKEY ROMAN
    60.4
    SRISAKET SOR-RUNGVISAI
    57.5
    JUAN FRANCISCO ESTRADA
    53.4
    LEO SANTA-CRUZ
    53.1
    BRIAN CASTANO
    53
    ANDREW CANCIO
    52.6
    JOSHUA FRANCO
    50.7
    EMANUEL NAVARRETE
    46



    AVG POWER LANDED/ROUND
    PUNCHES

    ROMAN GONZALEZ
    27
    BRANDON FIGUEROA
    23.7
    MICKEY ROMAN
    23.6
    LEO SANTA-CRUZ
    22.7
    SRISAKET SOR-RUNGVISAI
    20.1
    JUAN FRANCISCO ESTRADA
    19.9
    BRIAN CASTANO
    19.4
    DAVID BENAVIDEZ
    18.3
    EMANUEL NAVARRETE
    17.8
    ANDREW CANCIO
    17.8



    POWER CONNECT PERCENTAGE
    PERCENTAGE

    GERVONTA DAVIS
    47.7%
    VASILIY LOMACHENKO
    47.5%
    SHAKUR STEVENSON
    47.2%
    BADOU JACK
    46.3%
    TERENCE CRAWFORD
    46.2%
    ERISLANDY LARA
    46.1%
    KEITH THURMAN
    45.9%
    DAVID BENAVIDEZ
    45.8%
    SAUL ALVAREZ
    45.6%
    ERROL SPENCE
    45.4%



    AVG FEWEST TOTAL PUNCHES THROWN/ROUND
    PUNCHES

    GERVONTA DAVIS
    32.6
    JEAN PASCAL
    34.7
    ANDY RUIZ-JR.
    35.6
    DEONTAY WILDER
    36.2
    ELEIDER ALVAREZ
    36.8
    JOHN RYDER
    38.1
    RYAN GARCIA
    38.2
    ANTHONY JOSHUA
    38.6
    CHRIS ARREOLA
    39.6
    KUBRAT PULEV
    39.9



    AVG FEWEST POWER THROWN/ROUND
    PUNCHES

    DEONTAY WILDER
    15.4
    LUIS ORTIZ
    15.6
    ROBERT HELENIUS
    15.8
    TONY HARRISON
    16.3
    ANTHONY JOSHUA
    16.9
    KUBRAT PULEV
    17.1
    ELEIDER ALVAREZ
    17.9
    ANDY RUIZ-JR.
    18.1
    CHRIS ARREOLA
    18.9
    DMITRY BIVOL
    19



    AVG FEWEST TOTAL PUNCHES LANDED/ROUND
    PUNCHES

    LUIS ORTIZ
    9.4
    HASSAN NDAM
    9.7
    DOMINIC BREAZEALE
    9.7
    YURIORKIS GAMBOA
    9.9
    ANDY RUIZ-JR.
    10.1
    ROBERT HELENIUS
    10.1
    JOHN RYDER
    10.4
    JESSE HART
    10.7
    GEORGE KAMBOSOS
    10.8
    JEAN PASCAL
    10.8



    AVG FEWEST POWER LANDED/ROUND
    PUNCHES

    ROBERT HELENIUS
    5.7
    LUIS ORTIZ
    6
    DOMINIC BREAZEALE
    6.1
    KUBRAT PULEV
    6.3
    ANTHONY JOSHUA
    6.5
    DEONTAY WILDER
    6.7
    TONY HARRISON
    6.7
    ELEIDER ALVAREZ
    6.8
    HASSAN NDAM
    6.9
    ANDY RUIZ-JR.
    7



    OPPONENT TOTAL PUNCH LANDED/ROUND HIGHEST
    PUNCHES

    ANDREW CANCIO
    22.6
    BRANDON FIGUEROA
    22
    ABEL RAMOS
    21.1
    JOSHUA FRANCO
    19.6
    KIKO MARTINEZ
    19
    ROMAN GONZALEZ
    18.4
    MICKEY ROMAN
    18.3
    SRISAKET SOR-RUNGVISAI
    17.8
    FRANCISCO VARGAS
    17.7
    JARRETT HURD
    17.6



    OPPONENT TOTAL PUNCH LANDED/ROUND FEWEST
    PUNCHES

    DEMETRIUS ANDRADE
    5.4
    SHAKUR STEVENSON
    5.5
    DMITRY BIVOL
    6
    TYSON FURY
    6.4
    LUIS ORTIZ
    6.5
    RYAN GARCIA
    6.8
    TERENCE CRAWFORD
    7.5
    KUBRAT PULEV
    7.6
    ANTHONY JOSHUA
    7.7
    DEVIN HANEY
    7.8


    OPPONENT POWER PUNCH LANDED/ROUND HIGHEST
    PUNCHES

    BRANDON FIGUEROA
    19.6
    ANDREW CANCIO
    18.1
    JOSHUA FRANCO
    16.4
    MICKEY ROMAN
    16
    ROMAN GONZALEZ
    15.9
    FRANCISCO VARGAS
    15.9
    ABEL RAMOS
    15.7
    JERWIN ANCAJAS
    15.3
    JARRETT HURD
    14
    STEPHEN FULTON
    13.9



    OPPONENT POWER PUNCH LANDED/ROUND FEWEST
    PUNCHES

    ANDY RUIZ-JR.
    4.2
    SHAKUR STEVENSON
    4.3
    DMITRY BIVOL
    4.3
    TYSON FURY
    4.5
    KUBRAT PULEV
    4.5
    DEMETRIUS ANDRADE
    4.5
    LUIS ORTIZ
    4.8
    ANTHONY JOSHUA
    4.9
    RYAN GARCIA
    5
    DEONTAY WILDER
    5.5


    OPPONENT TOTAL CONNECT PERCENTAGE HIGHEST
    PERCENTAGE

    GABRIEL ROSADO
    33.9%
    RICHARD COMMEY
    33.1%
    MICKEY ROMAN
    33.1%
    DAVID LEMIEUX
    32.9%
    DOMINIC BREAZEALE
    32.9%
    HASSAN NDAM
    32.3%
    SERGIY DEREVYANCHENKO
    31.9%
    ROBERT HELENIUS
    31.8%
    BRANDON FIGUEROA
    31.1%
    CALLUM SMITH
    30.9%



    OPPONENTS TOTAL CONNECT PERCENTAGE LOWEST
    PERCENTAGE

    DMITRY BIVOL
    12.7%
    SHAKUR STEVENSON
    13.4%
    DEMETRIUS ANDRADE
    17.9%
    REGIS PROGRAIS
    18.5%
    VASILIY LOMACHENKO
    18.5%
    KAZUTO IOKA
    18.8%
    KENSHIRO TERAJI
    18.8%
    DEVIN HANEY
    19.6%
    KID GALAHAD
    20.3%
    ERISLANDY LARA
    20.3%


    OPPONENT POWER PUNCH CONNECT PERCENTAGE HIGHEST
    PERCENTAGE

    JOE JOYCE
    42.6%
    GABRIEL ROSADO
    40.8%
    SERGIY DEREVYANCHENKO
    40.7%
    JESSIE VARGAS
    40.6%
    RICHARD COMMEY
    40.2%
    HASSAN NDAM
    39.9%
    DILLIAN WHYTE
    39.8%
    KIKO MARTINEZ
    39.4%
    MICKEY ROMAN
    39.2%
    CALLUM SMITH
    38.6%



    OPPONENT POWER PUNCH CONNECT PERCENTAGE LOWEST
    PERCENTAGE

    SHAKUR STEVENSON
    16.9%
    DMITRY BIVOL
    22.2%
    DEMETRIUS ANDRADE
    23.1%
    DEVIN HANEY
    24.2%
    DAVID BENAVIDEZ
    25.3%
    VASILIY LOMACHENKO
    25.7%
    ERISLANDY LARA
    25.7%
    KAZUTO IOKA
    25.9%
    OSCAR VALDEZ
    26.1%
    TERENCE CRAWFORD
    26.2%


    HIGHTEST POWER THROWN PERCENTAGE
    PERCENTAGE

    MICKEY ROMAN
    80.1% (60.4 of 75.4)
    SRISAKET SOR-RUNGVISAI
    79.3% (57.5 of 72.5)
    BRIAN CASTANO
    75.5% (53 of 70.2)
    ANDREW CANCIO
    74.2% (52.6 of 70.9)
    ROMAN GONZALEZ
    73.6% (64.5 of 87.6)
    BRANDON FIGUEROA
    73.3% (63.3 of 86.4)
    JUAN FRANCISCO ESTRADA
    71.7% (53.4 of 74.5)
    JOSE-CARLOS RAMIREZ
    68% (39.9 of 58.7)
    DANIEL ROMAN
    66.7% (46 of 69)
    SERGIY DEREVYANCHENKO
    65.9% (40.9 of 62.1)



    HIGHTEST POWER LANDED PERCENTAGE
    PERCENTAGE

    BRIAN CASTANO
    92.4% (19.4 of 21)
    MICKEY ROMAN
    92.2% (23.6 of 25.6)
    SRISAKET SOR-RUNGVISAI
    92.2% (20.1 of 21.8)
    BRANDON FIGUEROA
    90.8% (23.7 of 26.1)
    ANDREW CANCIO
    86.4% (17.8 of 20.6)
    ROMAN GONZALEZ
    86% (27 of 31.4)
    DANIEL ROMAN
    85.4% (17.5 of 20.5)
    TEVIN FARMER
    85.4% (15.2 of 17.8)
    RYAN GARCIA
    84.2% (9.6 of 11.4)
    JOSH TAYLOR
    83.1% (10.8 of 13)


    HIGHTEST JAB THROWN PERCENTAGE
    PERCENTAGE

    DMITRY BIVOL
    65.6% (36.3 of 55.3)
    LUIS ORTIZ
    62.7% (26.2 of 41.8)
    ROBERT HELENIUS
    62.1% (25.9 of 41.7)
    CALLUM SMITH
    61.4% (35.1 of 57.2)
    KID GALAHAD
    60.7% (40 of 65.9)
    OLEKSANDR USYK
    60.3% (38.2 of 63.4)
    TONY HARRISON
    60% (24.5 of 40.8)
    REGIS PROGRAIS
    59.3% (38.1 of 64.3)
    KENSHIRO TERAJI
    58.5% (38.3 of 65.5)
    ERISLANDY LARA
    58% (26.2 of 45.2)



    HIGHTEST JAB LANDED PERCENTAGE
    PERCENTAGE

    DMITRY BIVOL
    52.4% (8.6 of 16.4)
    TONY HARRISON
    47.2% (6 of 12.7)
    CALLUM SMITH
    46.5% (6.6 of 14.2)
    ANTHONY JOSHUA
    46.2% (5.5 of 11.9)
    DEONTAY WILDER
    46% (5.7 of 12.4)
    ROBERT HELENIUS
    44.6% (4.5 of 10.1)
    KUBRAT PULEV
    43.6% (4.8 of 11)
    KID GALAHAD
    43.2% (7.9 of 18.3)
    GENNADY GOLOVKIN
    42.7% (9.9 of 23.2)
    SERGEY KOVALEV
    39.7% (6.2 of 15.6)
     
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  10. Serge

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    He's stopped everyone he's fought at the weight. He's obviously not a power puncher KO artist like a Beterbiev, The Dosser, Inoue, or your boy Twink but he's a spiteful hitter

    His best wins in 39 fights are Porter, Postol and Gamboa and the later was a huge size mismatch. That's a weak resume for someone who holds such a lofty P4P ranking and even more so for a near 40 fight vet
     
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  11. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Bivol is generally fighting opponents who weigh a weight class or more than him at LHW and many of his title defences have been against iron-jawed or very durable opponents who either haven't been stopped or have been so very rarely

    Clenelo
    Pascal
    Joe Smith
    Zurdo
    Chilemba
    Salamov
    Richards

    The only legitimate power stoppage losses on their records came against the murderous punching prime Krusher (Pascal) and the equally murderous punching Beterbiev (Joe Smith). Chilemba's and Joe Smith's stoppage losses were on injuries

    Bivol's not a power puncher but he can punch a bit when he wants to and he hits harder than many think
     
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  12. jquest

    jquest Well-Known Member Full Member

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    How is that? Where is the proof?

    Bivol slowed Canelo down and made him tentative and run out of ideas. I haven't seen many display that type of ring IQ since Rigondeux finished at 122.
     
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  13. jquest

    jquest Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Add Sullivan Barerra as well who was tough, he was dropped 3 times by Ward IIRC but hadn't been stopped until Bivol.
     
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  14. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Suspicious? Why, I can't imagine what you mean, sir!
     
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  15. IntentionalButt

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    Purely boxing skill? Bivol.

    Crawford arguably is a more well-rounded fighter, however, being a bigger puncher and having the fluid switch-hitting card in his back pocket.
     
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