UFC's Level? You mean a revolving door of Kansas wannabe's with arm tatoos wanting to be on TV? Or did you mean absorbing PRIDE'S rooster after the primes were past? Look, fact is, other orgs don't go on about the UFC like Dana does. White has single handedly put his organization in the prosecutors postion. By that I mean, the burden of proof lies on him, not the other orgs. But back to the original question of honest opinions of Overeem. 1. Big Man 2. Skilled Man 3. K1 Skilled Man 4. Extremly strong man 5. Extremly Confident man 6. Very calm man 7. Somewhat young man 8. Scary Man This guy is the heir to Fedor. He is no prime Fedor and that is certain, but he will be a force for at least the next 4 years. Assuming he gets past this Gran Prix.
Fact is no other org can sell a pay per view so it hardly matters where you think the burden of proof lies. The public thinks the best fighters are in the UFC... and theyre right about 90% of the time.
As I said its obvious why Dana doesnt co promote or exchange fighters, his org is far more sucessful and he's sucessfully cultrivated the opinion that the fighters within it are superior. Being happy with that situation rather than big fights being made because you've backed one org over another on the net seems like very much a fanboy position.
Not really. If UFC goes for co-promotion then it'll quickly become like boxing where ever star has their own promotional company and demands a ridiculous percentage of the overall gate. Eventually that makes it more difficult to make the bigger matches and denies the promoter the money to put on a decent undercard. And its not like the UFC isn't actively trying to sign the best fighters in the world. Shields has 0 marketablity but because he had a fourteen fight win streak they went full-on to sign him the minute his contract expired.
Tha arguement is far too black and white for me and actually the UFC's monopolistic pratices and dishoniest hype seem more likely to lead to revolution than well planned evolution anyway. They did alot of good for the sport in the past and still put on many quality matches but alot of what we see these days is aimed at maxmising short term profit IMHO.
They signed him because this is the typical protectionism we see from the UFC. Shields was the SF champ. Offer him more money in the biggest promotion in MMA and of course he'd jump ship. The fact that he's as exciting as a turnip proves empirically this was a deal made to strengthen the UFC's roster, weaken SF's in the process and get one up over a rival. Even though that rival isn't even in the same "league" as the UFC. The UFC can afford to do as it pleases because it has no real rivals. Its as good as a monopoly.
This is utter nonsense. Overeem won the European Abu Dhabi qualifiers back in 2005. If he was so crap on the ground why would he have entered one of the best submission grappling tournaments in the world and won? He's nothing remotely close to being a beetle on his back. Stop reading the bollocks you see on MMA boards and watch his actual fights.
Why the overreaction? You stated Overeem was a "fish out of water" on the ground. All he did was call bull**** on your post, and backed it up with reasoning.
Did i imply that? :roll: You made the assertion that Overeem is a fish out of water on the mat. The evidence clearly indicates otherwise as he never would have have won the European ADCC. Additionally his fights don't support your opinion. He has proven to be versatile in many subs with the Gulliotine choke being his clear favourite. About time you formulated your own opinion aye instead of repeating the crap you read on these boards....
How does signing Shields maxmise short-term profit? If the UFC was the Don King esque bunch of hucksters that you and many others like to portray them as then Shields would be the last person they'd sign up. An uncharismatic, unmarketable fighter with a boring style that could easily wind up with one of their titles. Instead they recognise him as one of the best fighters in the world, want to sign him and based on his past accomplishments fast-track him to a world title shot. If Jake Shields was a boxer he'd be Andre Berto or Tim Bradley. Notice how Mayweather or Pacquiao handlers don't want to face them because the fights are low-reward, high risk. The UFC on the other hand is willing to bring in the best and put them up against their 'hype jobs'. Just like they did with Silva and Rich Franklin. If the UFC were exploiting their dominant market position to avoid offering reasonable deals to the best fighters then I'd say that they were hurting the sport. But the fact is that they are not.
As for Overeem I think he has all the potential in the world but we won't know for sure what level he's at until we see how does against Werdum, Fedor and a world class heavyweight wrestler. Certainly one of the fighters to watch in 2011.
The public is full of ******s who go along with marketing. That's what the UFC has, marketing!! I can't believe you tied your arguement to the credibility of the general public.:rofl:rofl:rofl
Yes.. they have marketing.. money.. audience.. and a major monopoly on talent in mma. I didn't. It's going to be hard to change the perception that the UFC is the top dog... when the UFC is in fact the top dog and has 90% of the top end talent in mma. Why does the truth hurt you so much? What's your emotional investment in this? Is Scott Coker your father? Do you frequently wake up in cold sweats screaming "PRIDE NEVER DIE!!" ?
