Overeem= Overtrained?

Discussion in 'MMA Forum' started by Primenal, Jun 18, 2011.


  1. Matt Ldn

    Matt Ldn Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I genuinely think all Werdums big fights should be boycotted now that was plain disgraceful and like someone else said the novelty wore off in the 1st round. I cant see how anyone could give that fight to Werdum, people here always talk about how little stuffing takedowns gets little recognition from judges.

    That said Overeem failed to make the big statement he needed to last night but Silva is definitely a better stylistic match up for him so ill wait till then to pass judgement
     
  2. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Really? He just beat THE man. Which makes him THE man lineally... :yep

    Anyway judging by his conditioning Overeem physically did look quite poor. He said he lost weight though? If he is on gear looks like he came off it..
     
  3. Beekeeper

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    The guys who think this wasn't a robbery, what did Overeem do exactly to win the fight? He was just backing away and getting ready to counter.

    For all the **** Werdum pulled in this fight, it was he that was pressing the action, and I dont believe he really got outstruc either
     
  4. Matt Ldn

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    I think Werdum was marginally outstriking Overeem in that he was landing more but i think Reem landed more telling strikes. PLus whenever he landed against Werdum he fell over (i dont think he was hurt) which doesnt look good to judges. But that marginal advantage in the striking was lost when he kept getting his takedowns stuffed.

    I gave reem rounds 1 and 2 (close but clear) and Werdum the 3rd.
     
  5. Beekeeper

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    To me, it's hard to give points for stuffing takedown when you take no advantage after you stuffed it.

    However, I can see how Werdum's antics could have swayed the judges away from giving him points that Overeem did not deserve
     
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  7. Matt Ldn

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    I see your point im surprised he didnt kick the legs of werdum when he was on the ground he was getting nothing on the feet and if hed slowed him down with leg kicks he couldve done better in the striking.
     
  8. Beekeeper

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    Sorry, I didn't realize this is the "special rules match" thread, I will go then,




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  9. rekcutnevets

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  10. Nuke

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    Werdums biggest problem was when Overeem stuffed those takedowns, not only did he stop the takedown he turned them into his own takedowns but slamming and tripping and throwing Werdum to the ground. In the judges eyes all those takedowns where awarded to Overeem instead of Werdum. Werdum had a terrible gameplan and looked like a scared fighters laying on his back the whole fight. The judges do NOT see that as "pressing the action". Overeem as the TS suggested seemed to be over trained to me too. Luckily this is a Grand Prix and in the end the best fighter will prevail. I honestly can see either 1 of these 4 fighters winning it. I'm happy with the tourny so far. I just wish it wasn't dragging on so long. Most of you people just cry about **** because you're bitches.
     
  11. Lynchburg

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    Alright... :lol: Put your tampons away :hey

    I was just trying to say i thought the Reem won easy. Nonsense like this doesn't fly in my book...

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  12. Beekeeper

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    Werdum was more than happy to go down without Reem's assistance, slamming is a but strong don't you think

    Was this when he was coming after Overeem with punches?
     
  13. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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    I don't really give a **** about take downs, unless a fighter does something with them. When a fighter takes another down, and the person taken down gets right back up; it looks like wasted energy to me.

    I thought Werdum landed the better shots striking, and had Overeem on the defensive for a lot of the stand-up. Well, "a lot" is a stretch if we're talking action. I should say for what little stand-up action we had. Werdum was trying desperately to take the fight to the ground, to the point I thought he was winded just from standing up over and over. Werdum could have won those rounds clearly had he not flopped on his back repeatedly.

    Werdum deserves some flack about making that fight dull, but that doesn't change the fact that he out struck the K1 champion on his feet.
     
  14. Beekeeper

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    If you do not understand how dangerous a guard attack can be then you will continue to have this opinion, Alvarez was running like he owed Aoki money
     
  15. lefe

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    Some people on this forum said that he will be dangerous for top boxers,and even for prime Mike Tyson.I dont think so.He will be brutaly knocked out from any top boxer.