Overeem's BS

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  1. EL BULLY

    EL BULLY Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Strange one isn't it? Either didn't fancy JDS and subconciously wanted to get caught or does indeed suffer from some kind of Body Dysmorphia and is psychologically 'addicted' to gear. With everything at stake I can't see it being laziness but the testing is so lax maybe that's whatit was.
     
  2. scurlaruntings

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    Fighters don't care because the fines are paltry. If they were fined a years salary or banned for a few years they'd soon know what's up. A slap on the wrist and an ineffective fine is a waste of everyone's time.
    The UFC obviously does not take a hard line stance against this and will not because it doesn't care.
    The UFC testing its own fighters is clearly a blatant conflict of interest. The tests they do run are just a box ticking exercise only. Don't think for a minute its because they truly care about having 'clean' fighters.
    Dana has already said he has no interest in testing his entire stable or 375 summi fighters. So Dana has the ability to go after potentially millions of anonymous downloaders on illegal streams world wide but can't test 375 of his OWN employee's. Dana's not stupid. But the fans sure are....
     
  3. Will Cooling

    Will Cooling Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Normally you'd be right Scru - drugs test are usually done around fight time in most states and then the strong commission states that do 'random' drugs testing almost always do them a month before fighttime.


    However this was a surprise one for everyone EXCEPT Overeem. This is the first time they've ever done a test at press conference and so far in advance of an event. The reason is that as part of the conditional licence that Overeem got for the Lesnar fight he had to agree to two further drugs test after the fight. This was due to be one of them (no one's quite sure if its the first or second on the basis of whether the post-fight drugs test counts as one of the two). Overeem should have known that there was a good chance he would be testing whenever he stepped foot in Nevada, which makes the fact that he was the one caught hilarious.
     
  4. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Trust me it was a lazy cycle. Overeem could have been under the ratio within a few days.
    Matter of fact even Dana could have given him some good advice on how to clean up as he's also on gear along with Lorenzo.
    And yes once guys get on that **** its difficult to wean them off as they'll loose all their magic muscles and look like mortals again. Very WWE-esque.
     
  5. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    You're far far closer to this than me as i'm just a fan. You're an investigate reporter. :yep (joking Will.. Chill...) But i'm not buying it. Look at the **** up that was Overeem Lesnar? Overeem already had a pass. Them mufuggaz know when their going to be tested and i'm not buying it.
    That said i am surprised his ratio was that low. I would have expected it to be much higher. Which makes me think Overeem was either lazy or was cycling off and got busted in the process.
     
  6. Will Cooling

    Will Cooling Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm sorry this doesn't make any sense.

    You say it would be an obvious conflict of interest for the UFC to test its own fighters and then attack Dana for refusing to test his own fighters.
    One of the main reasons Dana is refusing to drugs test his own fighters is because he's worried he'll get excused of favourtism. That's why he wants to leave it to the commissions.

    To me things do need to be tightened up but the only way is for the UFC to take responsibility for organising out of competition drugs testing. They can contract it out to an outside agency to provide a firewall between them and the practical implementation of the program. It'd be expensive, which considering they technically pay taxes to athletic commissions for the purpose would be annoying, but its necessary.

    But something needs to be done. The commissions are clearly not up to it. In a sane sport Overeem would have served a year ban for the stunt he pulled in the run up to the Lesnar fight. The fact that he may still get to fight JDS is truly terrifying for the message it will send to other fighters. Does White want a clean sport? I'm sure he does. Does he want to do the hard work to get it? Well its becoming increasingly clear he doesn't. That failure of action will come back to haunt him.
     
  7. Will Cooling

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    I think if you see all the reports about the drugs test there was a lot of surprise amongst reporters that it was taking place. As I said, normally you'd be bang on the money but this is a special case.
     
  8. scurlaruntings

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    There's two problems here and these are the reasons for my stance. A) Dana/UFC doesn't care about hormone abuse. That much is an accepted fact as it would hurt their business tremendously considering a large percentage of pro's are on gear.
    In addition the UFC does not take a hard line stance on PED abusers. They are simply welcomed back into the UFC as though nothing happened. The list of fighers caught is getting ridiculous. Everyone of them has been allowed back in the UFC no questions asked.

    B) Dana is hardly worried about favouritism. Because of the UFC's size and focus they're under scrutiny therefore he must be seen to be doing something. The excuse about favouritism just doesn't wash, when the UFC can spend millions in court going after anonymous downloaders but cant shell out any cash to test 375 employee's. Its a dumb excuse because the UFC know what the impact would be on their business and brand.

    In addition both Dana and Lorenzo are PED users. They're in no moral position to label anyone as a steroid cheat when the boss is on them too. The hypocrisy gets even worse when the UFC has former NSAC employee's (one who was a director) on their payroll which can only logically be construed as a clear conflict of interest.

    The UFC isn't anything close to a gold standard in testing. They're just under a microscope because of their brand recognition and Dana must be seen to be doing something about it. If they want to be the gold standard introduce Olympic style testing. But id be willing to bet my entire life's savings the UFC will NEVER do that.
    With my rose tinted specs on and if the commissions were not infiltrated there would be an arbitrary body who conducted Olympic style drug testing that included life time bans. Significant fines running into 10's of thousands dependent on the abuse,use and drugs. A complete ban on HRT/TRT. And bloods that must be submitted by the fighters on a 6 monthly basis.
     
  9. EL BULLY

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    Hmmmmm. Doesn't add up. Remember he was effectively on probation so knew he had to be extra careful. Surely him and his management wouldn't show up at 14:1 if they knew the test was coming? We know how he deals with tests when he in on cycle: he doesn't show up for them. I think it must have been a genuine surprise test. Or, like I say, he has some kind of mental 'addiction' to being huge. and on gear.
     
  10. Will Cooling

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    If Overeem was surprised then he's a moron.
     
  11. scurlaruntings

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    :lol: Boom. :thumbsup
     
  12. EL BULLY

    EL BULLY Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If he did know it was coming what the **** would his ratio have been the week before? Probably was up around the half century mark.
     
  13. Stoo

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    :lol: Their chief weapon is surprize...
     
  14. scurlaruntings

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    Now you're getting it. :thumbsup
    Look at the size of that beast. I was more surprised his ratio was that low. I would have expected a ratio of at least 50:1 plus for a man of his size.
     
  15. EL BULLY

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    I don't know, it still doesn't make sense to me. He must have been stitched up or something, all the talk after missing that test last year and now finally in the big show under more scrutiny and the chance to earn more money than ever. Why risk it all by being THAT high? No one is that stupid and he has management around him. He knew he wouldn't pass the test he didn't show up for, he would have known he wouldn't pass this one. He can't have known it was coming.