Overlooked Skills/Traits Of Certain Fighters?

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  1. jpab19

    jpab19 Exploding Muffin Dad Full Member

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    I remember posting a couple of weeks ago about the fact people often overlook just how wonderfully complete a fighter Pernell Whitaker was, by often thinking he was merely a supurb defensive fighter without acknowledging how adept he is offensively.

    It got me thinking, what fighters are there throughout boxing history who've had certain capabilities that were often underappreciated amongst boxing enthusiasts?


    For instance with Sweet Pee:

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ynGnpGgwCw&feature=player_embedded[/ame]

    Watch his body-punching on the inside, the way he's not only beating a guy by only making him miss, he's doing it by actually beating Brazier up, his ability to go on the assault and dictate the tempo in which the fight is fought at is often, and probably understandably so, overlooked.

    He wasn't a mere pot-shotter who relied on making his opponent miss, his defense was the main facet of his game, yes, but it wasn't the only facet as a lot seem to believe. The fact he rose through a few weight classes, standing in front of the adversary all the while is a testament to him. Obviously I ain't forgetting the Mayweather fight too, he's more complete than he's given credit for by many IMO.

    Another glaring one for me is the physical strength of Muhammad Ali. When I thought about making this thread, the Whitaker-inspired aspect aside, it was the very first thing that came to mind.

    Ali was quite possibly stronger than any opponent he ever faced(give or take), not only able to dance around them with his superior speed of hand and foot with an excellent jab, Ali could, and the majority of the time would, manhandle his opponent in the ring, utilising his freakish strength to the full to further wear his adversary down. This was even more evident after his hiatus, as he became far more reliant on his propensity for out-muscling the opposing fighter.

    So what are your examples? Be it one of your favourite fighters or merely something you've picked up on, what traits are fighters often not given credit for possessing?
     
  2. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    Roberto Duran - defence.
     
  3. Moe Greene

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    A recent post I made in another thread :good

    Why does everyone always say Cervantes couldn't hit? :think

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYcxqUZKwVQ[/ame]

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2tmaeXm1yY&feature=related[/ame]

    Dropped DeJesus a few times as well. And Pryor :yep

    Same goes for Gavilan.

    And yes Beeston: Duran is one of the slickest fighters I've ever seen, and yet many just go with the notion he's a brawler :-(

    I also think George Foreman has a very underrated jab.
     
  4. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Pernell was always a great body puncher...
     
  5. jpab19

    jpab19 Exploding Muffin Dad Full Member

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    Swarmer, Flea. Give these people some credit.;)
     
  6. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Napa's power.

    I'm not sayin' its wrongly overlooked mind.
     
  7. Moe Greene

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    But what of Kid Pambelé?
     
  8. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Looking at his record, apparently his ability to lose consistently is overlooked.
     
  9. Moe Greene

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    Whitaker made up his lack of massive pop by putting serious spite into his punches.

    The Hurtado stoppage is a brutal example of this.

    As is this 'Jackson-esque' shot ;-)

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSRJTXeJgmk[/ame]
     
  10. Moe Greene

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    :huh 91-12.

    With wins over: Mamby; De Jesus; Furuyama; Locche; Peppermint Frazer; 11 defences of his title.

    A few losses here and there but the major ones, Benitez, Pryor and Locche are hardly the worst. And he fought a lot, no major discrepancies IMO :good
     
  11. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    You're thinking of the wrong one.

    http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=26235&cat=boxer
     
  12. Moe Greene

    Moe Greene Guest

    :lol: I understand.

    But of Cervantes' power? The two clips above tell a different story (no banger but certainly had pop) and he looks dangerous (and Saddler-esque dirty) in the De Jesus fight (on youtube and worth a look)

    Cervantes was always a guy I'd heard a lot about but was fairly disappointed in when I first tried to get into him. A recent re-think and swayed me completely. Definitely one of the greatest 10 stone fighters, and a better puncher than some posters suggested IMO.
     
  13. jpab19

    jpab19 Exploding Muffin Dad Full Member

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    When I've read up on Sandy Saddler before, he's obviously hailed as the great fighter he was, with empahsis put on his jab and his straight right hand.

    But it often seems as though he's annointed as some kind of stuck in quicksand type fighter for the most part, which I really can't see myself.

    I feel his ability to close the ring down is very much underrated, I mean, the guy was able to trap Willie Pep, one of the greatest movers ever, continuously against the ropes and force him to grab hold with regularity such was his prowess at denying Pep time and space(of course being a dirty ******* aided him, but his cutting the ring down enabled it).

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpKHFZ6ixKs[/ame]
     
  14. Moe Greene

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    I definitely think Peps movement slipped post accident, from what I've read/seen.

    I think what is most stated about Saddler, which is true, is that he was a dirty ****.
     
  15. jpab19

    jpab19 Exploding Muffin Dad Full Member

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    His footwork in general is underrated anyways, whether Pep's movement was deteriorating or not.

    The Elorde bout is another example.