Overmatches...........

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Bigcat, Apr 18, 2008.


  1. Bigcat

    Bigcat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    How many extreme cases of Overmatching a fighter at any level can you remember throughout history..??

    There have been our obvious Tyson v Julius Francis or Tyson v Mcneeley but are there many more that almost made you scream .. why in gods name would you throw him in against him..?

    One i remember clearly is...

    Pele Reid the young heavyweight prospect from Birmingham England was WBO intercontinental champion.. and unbeaten, he had around 16 wins all by Ko and boxed the former British champ and quite journey man heavy Julius Francis who schooled the brave kid and handed him his first loss, a learning loss that could have made him a better fighter in time...

    Then.. Coming off that 1st sole defeat on the Klitschko v Hide WBO world heavyweight title fight undercard Pele was slammed in against former WBA Cruiserweight world champ Orlin Norris.. WTF.. Orlin got shut of Pele with in minutes by savage KO.. what was Brendan Ingle thinking.. Coming off your first loss to a journeyman.. you throw the kid in at a sensitive time against a former Heavyweight and cruiserweight world level terror to get demolished.. Anyone find any more..?
     
  2. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    Peter Manfredo vs Joe Calzaghe

    Whilst there are many parties responsible for this joke of a fight, notably Sports Network and the respective TV companies, whoever sanctioned this bout should be thrown out of the sport.

    You have a guy at the top of his game, a P4P contender, fighting against a guy a weight above his best, whose resume suggested absolutely nothing that he could even compete against Calzaghe. A loss to Alfonso Gomez (a welterweight) and two to Sergio Mora (a naturally smaller guy) should have had the alarm bells ringing.

    Whilst the stoppage was premature, it was a sypathetic one, he was shipping so many punches with nothing in return, and shouldn't have been in there in the first place.

    The WBO want to be recognised as a major player in boxing, but sanctioning bouts like this only add to the ridicule it cops from people within the sport and fans alike.
     
  3. ThePlugInBabies

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    felix trinidad-david reid.

    insanity.
     
  4. MancMexican

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    Joe Calzaghe vs Peter Manfredo

    It was a premature stoppage but Manfredo was there to be butchered
     
  5. MancMexican

    MancMexican Blood & Guts Forever Full Member

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    beat me to it and said it better too!
     
  6. McGrain

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    Going back a bit, things would often get ugly when fighters were matched on account of race. Eddie Zivic had no place in the ring with the great Henry Armstrong for example. Eddie was coming off consecutive losses against weak opposition but because he was white and because he was from a great dynasty (his brother Fritzie Zivic is one of the most underated fighters in the history of the sport IMO) he was thrown to the lions.

    Armstrong beat the total **** out of Zivic and his corner threw in the towel, I think at the end of the fourth. Another case of "white" and "hope" being in the same sentence without making a whole lot of sense. Certainly not for Eddie. He won 2 out of his next 20, and was supposedly never the same after those few rounds with the Buzzsaw.
     
  7. D-MAC

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    Rafael Marquez, on his debut, getting thrown in with former world champion Victor Rabanales. :patsch
     
  8. BIGTIMETIMMY

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  9. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    I can think of many more, a few of Hatton's earlier WBU fights could be considered mismatches!

    Most British fighters are given far too many mismatches and are then exposed at the elite level - Hatton, Calzaghe and Hamed are three exceptions in point, beating top class names after being gifted a padded record, whilst the likes of Bomber Graham fell short.

    It is time we thought differently in guiding our fighters to the top - once they are ready, stick them in there, if they aren't ready, give them more time, and if they are never going to be ready, reduce them to gatekeeper level, either domestically or internationally.

    This is the one area in which the US is miles in front of us, perhaps the other is producing fighters who can move up in weight and still maintain the level of skill and overall performance in their previous weight.

    I am sure that one of the major reasons for this is the number of major promoters in relation to fighters - our major promoter v fighter ratio is much higher than anywhere else, and each want their own slice of pie, thus diluting the standard of the majority of our fighters, with a few obvious exceptions, and the standard of British title fights, which is fairly low at times.

    In short, the cream takes too long to rise to the top - it may not get there at all, as a fighter may just think '**** it' and try something else!
     
  10. Chiko_Tech

    Chiko_Tech Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    PBF vs Bruseles a total mismatch
     
  11. Chiko_Tech

    Chiko_Tech Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Judah vs Baldomir = what Judah loses that fight, damm what a shame.
     
  12. D-MAC

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    :rofl :rofl :rofl

    Tyson v Douglas
    Honeghan v Curry
     
  13. Fat Joe

    Fat Joe Let's have it right Full Member

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    Hamed V Said Lawal
     
  14. standing 8

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    That fight was very competetive until Reid got caught.
     
  15. Bigcat

    Bigcat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I remember that and Lawal on the face of it looked the part but when you saw the actual class void in the ring.. It was rediculous....