OVERRATED ATGS? Hot take it!

Rubbish.

He didn’t just get lucky.

He dug deep.

 

Styles make fights. You cant hold things other people did against SRL. Hearns, the taller, longer, and larger man, was outboxing Leonard who was trying to FIGHT. Hearns pride got in the way and he got clipped. Maybe that was Leonard's scouting and gameplan all aong? And nobody FORCED Hearns to FIGHT instead of BOX. Likewise nobody FORCED Duran to get out shape and train poorly or to take the rematch w such a quick turnaround. And damn sure nobody forced Duran to just quit in the middle of their rematch. Duran has to own those choices.

I thought Hagler won too but didnt have major issue w SRL getting the nod seeing how came out of retirement. Impressive that he even went the distance especially after Leonard admitted to being KD/KO in sparring a week or two out.

That and PEDs of course

 

Yes ofcourse Griffin beat Roy in that first fight and exposed him, picking up the victory while laying on the floor.

So since Griffin beat RJjr while laying on the floor then I also suppose that:
Ngannou beat AJ
Plant beat Canelo
And Helenius beat Wilder.

Griffin was out there in the first RJjr fight, he just got lucky that an already aimed shot got thrown and landed on him while he was on his ass and that the referee and the bribed ringside officials decided to rob Roy Jones of his victory due to their friendship with Griffins promoter Bob Arum.

Falsifying boxing history like this is just sick. I mean ok you don't like RJjr and you think he was overrated, that's just fine, you are entitled to your opinion but this Griffin exposed RJjr story, you don't even believe it yourself so why on earth are you spitting it out.

 

Roy trained down to 168, he was far bigger than the average middleweight, he was a natural light heavy or cruiser, who decided to turn pro at 154 where he had to be completley shredded to make the weight, look at Roy`s body comared his opponents at 168, he looked roided up and also took roids to fight at heavy too.

 

He dug deep and hurt Hearns turning the fight around.

 

Griffin was out-boxing Roy till he got hurt, Roy was landing next to nothing till the final round.

 

Roy v Griffin looked nothing like Plant v Canelo, Roy was the one getting pinned on the ropes like Plant, what the hell has the first Griffin fight got to do with Francis v AJ or Helenius v Wilder, you are getting confused with their rematch.

 

BW history is somewhat of a blind spot for my boxing knowledge and I'm not a big fan of lists but:
1. Ruben Olivares
2. Eder Jofre
3. Lionel Rose
4. Fighting Harada
5. Panama Al Brown
6. Manuel Ortiz
7. Kid Williams
8. Pete Herman
9. Carlos Zarate
10. Naoya Inoue

 

You're the biggest Roy glazer on this site and I'm his biggest hater on this site. Respectfully, I don't think we'll find any common ground.

 

Pretty funny joke.
And It'd be fun to see if you can find a better resume

 

Lennox Lewis to me is overrated (Not bad, he still beat some great fighters) HE STILL IS AN ATG IMO
+ He beat Vitali Klitscko awesome win
+ He beat Ruddock in great fashion (even if he got beat up by Tyson brutally)
+ He beat David Tua
+ He beat Briggs which was pretty decent then (let's go champ!)
The Problems start to show when you look at his fights big fights
- He beat Mike Tyson which was completly shut to pieces. The worst part is watching this fight, I literally saw nothing that doesn't tell me Mike wouldn't have knocked him out in his prime given how many problems Mike gave Lennox in 2002. the first 4 rounds is literally just Lenonx clinching and the referee warning him when he should have lost points and by the 5th it was target practice cause Mike gassed. And Mike didn't get "knocked out" yes he did by boxing rules, but he really gave up and he could have gotten up but he chose to ala Buster Douglas.
- Holyfield was old and shot to pieces. Evander looked like he wasn't when he fought Mike,but that is because was allowed to clinch every 5 seconds against Mike in their fights ,and when he wasn't ,you get Holyfield / Lewis 1, where evander just looks at him for 11 rounds and blew his load in the 3rd.
I scored Holyfield - Lewis 2 115-113 and the reason why Lewis won this which tells me Evander beats him in his prime, is that Evander didn't have the same workrate as he did during the Bowe era.
- Mercer also gave Lennox A LOT of problems.

The thing with Lennox is he is a great fighter. The problem is watching his biggest fights with Holyfield and Tyson. It just shows me that it was less that Lennox beat Mike and Evander and more that it was just time that beat them as he did not impress me one bit in those fights where the other guy is not doing anything and just looking at him. And it was not because of the jab, it was because they were tired.

 

Not great fighters outright but respective to their weight classes, all were great for their divisions even in a historical sense (okay maybe not Manny Rodriguez but he's still a very good world champion). I mean, Fulton was a unified champion who beat Khegai, Leo, Figueroa, and Roman. He was even P4P for many for a while. There aren't many super-bantamweights who have garnered as much acclaim or accolades as Fulton.
Taguichi was a 2x champion at 108 boasting wins over Milan Melindo, Luis De La Rosa, Albert Rossel, Landaeta, Barrera, and who got robbed against Budler and Canizales.
Narvaez has the most title defences in history and beat the likes of Carnona, Seda, Soto, Orucuta, Tamara, Whitfield, Makhmutov, Potapov, Inom, Zaleta, Liriano, Lazarte, Sarritzu, and Urina. Narvaez was an immensely talented technician who holds very solid HOF credentials.
Manny Rodriguez beat Jason Moloney, Paul Butler, Gary A. Russell, got robbed against Gaballo and gave Nishida a war even when quite noticeably past his prime.
And I don't think I need to remind anybody how great Nonito Donaire is. Add onto that Inoue's wins over McDonnell, Kono, Tapales, Nery, Payano, Nieves, Boyeaux, and a slew of very solid fringe contenders (as well as him being a 4-weight champ and 2 weight undisputed champion over the space of only a year) and I think he has made a more than reasonable claim as an ATG.

 

I think Aaron Pryor was also one of those guys that was super close to top 5 all time great, but needed a FEW little things.

 

Its so hard to judge fighters that fought in eras like the 20s 30s 40s 50s and possibly 60s mainly due to not having enough footage. Boxing has progressed massively due to technology, science and diet and you rarely see fighters fight the same person multiple times.
Yes they were the best of their era but say Ezzard Charles against probably the best ever Cruiser Holyfield I believe Holyfield would win, but you don't see anyone putting Holyfield in top 10 Goats if you get my gist. Not knocking them at all but times are different imo