OVERRATED ATGS? Hot take it!

I remember him absolutely schooling an old, old Roy Jones. I thought Hopkins beat him, but his fights against Kessler and Eubank were very good wins.

 

Jack Johnson. Was historically significant but would get butchered by most the Heavyweights that came after him. Fought a bunch of hobos.

 

Yes Kessler was a good win - his best, IMO. But there is a dramatic fall off of prime or decent opposition after that. Eubank was past his best. And I thought Hopkins beat him too. Jones Jr was done as a top level operator at this point. Again, it's a shame those fights didn't happen when they would have been more meaningful. But that's how I feel about Calzaghe - he is the King of opportune timing!
I'm not saying Joe is no good - really that I don't know how good he was because he rarely tested himself. I recall with great frustration the 'who's who' roll call of his early 2000s opposition - the likes of Tocker Pudwill, Miguel Jiminez, Will McIntyre. Very poor opposition for the most part, then reared his head right at the end to defeat the already defeated leading lights of his generation. A fighter of smoke and mirrors, for me.

 

I give Calzaghe some credit for the Eubank win based off Eubank moving up to Cruiserweight and giving the much bigger Carl Thompson absolute hell. So that to me showed Eubank had something left in the tank and wasn't completely past it. But you also have to take into account Eubank only had 11 days to prepare for the Calzaghe fight as he was originally scheduled to fight at Light Heavyweight and was a late replacement for Steve Collins.

I don't give Calzaghe any credit for beating a totally shot RJJ who had been KO'ed multiple times and never had a single win over a top 10 opponent after the loss to Tarver.

The Kessler win is very good as he was undefeated and the 2nd best Super Middleweight at that time.

The Hopkins win is also good based on what Hopkins achieved after the Calzaghe loss, but you can't help but think a younger fresher Hopkins with better energy levels would've out pointed Calzaghe it was an ugly very close fight. But then again Calzaghe was also past his prime with very bad hands at that point.

 

Marvin Hagler. Probably one of the most overrated fighters. Received a gift draw against Antuofermo and a win against Geraldo which should have been a draw. Biggest claim to fame is the first round against overblown welterweight Hearns and win against overblown lightweight Duran. He lost to another overblown welterweight Leonard. Wilfred Benitez should be one of the Four Kings not Hagler.

 

I think any of the heavyweight champ that were bigger than Johnson would have beat him except for Primo.

 

Over welter that was 6`1 with a three in reach advantage over Hagler and stopped a light heavy champ in 87, plus knocked out Roldan to win the WBO middleweight title, plus I feel he beat Ray handily, he also stopped Mugabi who despite coming up from 154lbs was actually a lot bigger than Hagler.

 

One of the worst takes I've ever seen an obvious troll.

"Gift draw vs Antuofermo"

The fight that is widely regarded as a bad decision that many thought Hagler won ?

"Blown up Middleweight Thomas Hearns"

Hearns was taller than Hagler significantly with a longer reach who also won world titles at Middleweight and Light Heavyweight ?

"Fight vs Geraldo that should've been a draw"

I know you're trolling but not even you can type that out with a straight face.

 

People forget Mark that Hagler was a small Middleweight and easily could've made Jr Middleweight in the modern era.

Haney for example is probably bigger than Hagler without all the weight cutting he weighed 165 pounds vs Prograis.

 

He had no reason to fight DLH again and Manny and his camp + bob arum was stalling the Floyd fight for years.

Yes Mosley knocking the sparks outta margarito for the first time in his career while being the 5-1 underdog is one of his most impressive wins. And Mosley at 38 was still a very dangerous fighter, To a point where many boxing heads had predicted that Mosley would beat Floyd at that age

Genaro still had a lot of steam left but he couldn’t handle the loss to Floyd so he retired early.

Wow Floyd was bigger than a whopping 5 guys in 50 fights??? (Corley also much bigger then Floyd)

Winky is the one who rejected the terms for the fight. He wanted 50-50 and Arum offered 55-45. It was Winky who pulled out of the fight.

How you get that Floyd, a light welterweight at the time, ducked Winky, a middleweight at the time, I'd really like to know.

Floyd was ALWAYS I mean ALWAYS a bad style matchup for PAC. No matter the time Floyd would’ve beat him the same way. And the loss to JMM didn’t really change him. He became a champ 2 fights after then beat another champ, after the loss to Floyd he then became a champ 2 fights after!! He was still a dawg. (Plus the manny fight had was gonna happen in 2011 hadn’t Floyd been arrested)

 

Floyd "retired" in 2007 because there were too many good prime welterweights: Williams, Margarito, Mosley (who said multiple times in interviews he wanted to fight Floyd), prime Cotto.

Margarito with his aggressive style was faded by that time, and let's not forget the loaded gloves controversy.

Oscar defeated Hernandez before that, Hernandez retired after the fight with Floyd because he knew he was faded.

Oscar had been KOed by Hopkins and Trinidad before fighting Floyd, and even lost to Felix Sturm, although the judges bailed him out.

Floyd couldn't even make the catchweight of 144 when he faced the 135 champion JMM. Floyd was visibly much bigger.

Floyd made the 140 champ Hatton move up to 147 for the fight, and had his dodgy home referee Cortez stop the short-armed Hatton for fighting on the inside and Cortez also deducted a point for nothing when Hatton was doing well, demoralizing him.

Pacquiao started at 106 minimum weight, and won titles at 112 and 126. Floyd avoided the smaller man until he saw him get KOed cold by JMM. Pacquiao was less aggressive after the JMM fight.

Floyd lost several fights, for example the first Castillo fight, but had dishonest judges help him out.

He had only ONE stoppage win in his last 10 fights, and even that was a sucker punch to Ortiz. He regularly put viewers to sleep with his very cautious, ultra-defensive style, pitty-patting his way to DULL decision wins against smaller men like Guerrero and faded guys like Berto.

Floyd Mayweather Jr. is not only a despicable man who beat up the mother of his children, he's the most overrated boxer in history.

 

At no point did I say Floyd shouldve fought DLH again. FWIW though prime DLH probably beats Floyd.

Floyd literally paid millions of dollars to Manny for slander for making **** up. Manny never popped for steroids and it was Floyd, not Manny, that needed a TUE for illegal methods.

Floyd didnt need drug testing for anyone before Manny - that was on Floyd.

Look at you backpedal, girl. A moment ago Mosley beating Margs was Mosleys best win and now its "one of his most impressive wins". Since you plainly dont know what youre talking about, I'll lend a hand.

Mosley's best win was beating an undefeated DLH. And that's not up for debate. If you disagree try a different sport because youre wrong and just dk what youre talking about.

Lmao...you are a joke.

At JMW and WW Floyd was usually the smaller guy. Majority of the time Floyd was bigger than ALL of his opponents at 130, 135, and 140 sans JLC and Corrales. Floyd waa outright bigger than more than half his opponents.

Get a napkin, sweetheart, you get spitand froth on your lips. Floyd called out Winky not the other way around:

https://www.tampabay.com/archive/2005/07/22/wright-mayweather-bout-is-off-as-talks-break-down/

There was a dispute over money, this is true, but Winky had alrdy agreed to same day weigh-inFloyd'sds demand) and not gaining more than 8 pounds (Floyd's demand). In case you didnt know, same day weigh-in hasnt been used in decades yet Floyd needed that arrangement for Winky and Winky only. It was Floyd that ultimately walked away from the fight, not Winky. And it was Floyd who started talking the fight up, not Winky.

It goes both ways. Floyd didnt do well against unorthodox fighters. See Augustus, JLC, and Maidana...and 2009 Manny was awkward, fast and explosive, and clearly powerful. There's a reason Floyd created obstacles for the fight not to happen. Floyd literally said, during the Victor Ortiz press conference, Manny - youre next...and Manny wasnt next.

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Of course you dont understand how the JMM loss changed Manny. I'm sure you also think Cotto was the same after Margarito or Paul Williams was the same after Sergio. Thats because youre either simple (likely) or an absolute fanboy (also likely).

The reality is bad losses DO change a fighter. Manny became more cautious and conventional. He no longer threw caution to the wind. He become better suited for a guy like Floyd. Even in knowing all that Floyd would still be favorite to beat 2009 Manny, but Floyd obviously didnt feel the same way.

 

Ali (P4P), Tyson, Manny, Floyd

 

Yeah and still doesn`t punch as hard as a 160 lbs fighter.

 

Seriously?