Overrated Hitters In Boxing History?

AJ. Clubbing puncher rather like sam Peter .

 

Earnie Shavers always comes up as a dude with overrated power in these threads, and that means going against the opinions of Leroy Caldwell, Muhammad Ali, Charlie Polite, Jimmy Young, Ken Norton, Ron Lyle, Larry Holmes (one of only two common opponents of Tyson and Shavers), Joe Bugner, Henry Clark (the only common opponent of Shavers and Liston) Ron Stander, Tex Cobb (who said Earnie's punches were harder than PKA star Big John Jackson's kicks)...

This isn't about the colorful prose of artistic and storied scribe viewing action from outside the ring, but the overwhelming consensus of those who actually competed inside the ring against Shavers. Ron Lyle said, "He hit me and the floor came up!" The GOAT said on camera, "He hit me so hard my kinfolk in Africa felt it." Quick" Tillis said many times on camera and in audio recordings that, "Mike Tyson hit me like a homo compared to Earnie Shavers, who could turn pi$$ into gasoline and tomorrow and yesterday into tomorrow!," along with other colorful descriptions saying Tyson hit like a sissy compared to the Acorn.

Jimmy Ellis got up from what Joe Frazier indicated to Jim Clash on camera may have been the hardest single punch Frazier ever landed. The only other person to ever floor Ellis was Earnie. Jimmy never knew what hit him, and this time, Ellis did not beat the count. Nobody else ever knocked out the 6'5" 230 pound pre PED era Tiger Williams.

Only a shocked Jerry Quarry walked through his punches and told Don Dunphy immediately after that, "He never hit me!," only to be stunned when viewing the videotape the following day that Shavers had indeed hit him multiple times. (Earnie confirmed on camera that he really belted Jerry. For his part, JQ told Don Dunphy immediately after uniquely dropping and stopping Mac Foster that, "He can hit like heck! Phew!")


FWIW, both George Foreman and Earnie Shavers said on camera that Ron Lyle was the hardest puncher they both fought, and both Jimmy Young and Leroy Caldwell said their punching power and physical strength were about equal. Young and Caldwell each stated that Earnie Shavers was a much harder puncher than either Foreman or Lyle. Caldwell said Shavers hit harder than Lyle and Foreman combined. (The chief differences between Foreman and Lyle is that George could take a better punch, and used his physical strength in an aggressively illegal way to shove off his opponents. Ron Lyle was a pretty clean boxer.)

Shavers was not a great finisher because after scoring a knockdown he tended to rush in, allowing his prey to clinch his long arms repeatedly, wearing him down. And Max Baer wasn't a great finisher because his shoulders were so wide he had to turn them sideways to pass through doorways, so his body wasn't structurally conducive for combination punching.

 

yes I guess he wasn't prime yet. okay. who else stopped jimmy young?

answer: cooney on a cut

 

Cheers, Mike. But I have never heard anyone state Hagler was a great puncher. Most say he was a very good hitter but more of an accumulation guy. Be well and stay safe.

 

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Hey Mike ... very few guys win fight after fight with one shot .. Dempsey , Louis or Marciano didn't ..... Hagler was most like Louis ... a razor sharp combination puncher who could wreck you and did ofter with a few punches because their styles were more boxing oriented and fluid .. Marvin is far closer to a murderous puncher than some grind them down over a thousand punches .. he was a beast ( in my opinion).

 

Throwing shade on my man Ingo with solid examples?

Damn!

It’s funny when people compare Liston and Ingo’s results against Machen to inflate Ingo’s power - never mind that Machen ran from Liston in contrast to foolishly charging right into Ingo.

There’s also the fact that Liston secured two 10 count KO wins over Patterson - the only man to ever do so - and a common opponent that Ingo couldn’t keep down despite so many free shots.

 

Earnie Shavers

 

They survived cause he didn't actually hit that hard

 

I say he was a great puncher. He didn’t rely on one punch as a classic boxer but when he chose to blast away he did serious damage. He was not a wear you down guy … I’d say he was a level above say a Monzon.

 

Hi Buddy.
Firstly thanks for the time and effort to upload the fights, the fights that firmly support your view, Haler is indeed a very heavy puncher, and palperly does not need numerous punches to achieve his goal, quite happy to concede, also appreciate your kind response, no rants about how wrong I am, no put downs on my boxing acumum, we are getting there.
stay safe he grant, chat soon buddy.

 

Duran's style was a swarmer/pressure style but he definitely could have been a slugger if he wanted to . Ray Leonard says Duran hit him the hardest and that's after fighting Hearns twice. He also cut Leonard really bad in the last part of their third fight again with one punch. To go from Lightweight up to middleweight and still able to hurt people is truly a hard puncher. I remember in his 90's comeback how he destroyed journeyman Terry Thomas's nose with one shot.
Roberto Duran vs Terry Thomas - YouTube

 

Joshua, he has power but he doesn't have that one punch power...

 

Earnie Shavers in honesty.

 

Archie Moore's 130+ ko's are attributed to his punching power but he was never a one hitter quitter. He put his punches together well and was very accurate.