Overrated HW "Punchers" from the past

Peter's hardly a fighter of the past is he?

 

Although he had immense power and could hurt you very quickly, Foreman was hardly the one hit wonder his myth suggests.
His power was very similar to Vitali 's: very very effective to discourage other fighter and hurt him early, but not a top quick finisher.

 

Foreman was a harder puncher than Vitali but I agree his power was of the same variety. Morrison, Schultz and even Moorer (before the last pinperfect shot) were able to take his best without wilting. Younger Foreman was a better technical puncher than his older iteration, and actually had quite a bit of fluidity with his shots, more than he gets credit for. Outside the Ali fight I mean.

 

Marciano has one punch stopped cold KO wins over the durable Layne and two on Walcott.

All together 4 one punch KO wins over ranked HWs. If he isn't a one shot KO puncher, nobody is.

FAIL.

The knock on Marciano is that he was slower than most his opponents and not very accurate so against turtles or movers, he sometimes had to wear them down by pounding their guard with high volume arm punches.

 

:deal

 

In my book, the best one hit wonder i have ever seen among heavy was an amateur, the great Teofilo Stevenson.
Curiously, among modern fighters in term of number of 1 punch ko the edge clearly goes to Wlad Klitschko, although he's generally considered a volume puncher.

 

Aww....Are you "butt hurt" Cael?

Look if you were better versed in the sport of boxing you would come to the same conclusion similar to some of the more respected posters on this site. You are conflating haters with real boxing fans who call a spade a spade. I call it as I see it and apparently so does the Ring Magazine. They recently published a list which lists the top 5 Heavyweights of each decade in addition they also assign a grade to overall quality of the decade. I won't spoil the surprise but it's all here in this thread:

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?p=12519830#post12519830

1. Marciano was definitely a solid puncher. Mongoose explained it well below.

2. Shavers was a murderous puncher, but a terrible finisher. If he was even half the finisher that Joe Louis or Mike Tyson was then he would have an impressive resume. So you can knock him for his inability to close the deal but not for his power.

Well Said.

 

I know. I acknowledged that in the post.

A "murderous puncher" who routinely failed to stop guys he caught flush. Right. Shavers wasn't a great finisher, but when you're the hardest puncher in history you don't need world class finishing skills to take out your man. The punch you landed should have already done the damage.

Shavers does not live up to his rep.

 

Bubby continues his assault on past fighters. There is a video on Youtube where Holyfield says "George hit me harder than any fighter." There is an interview with Shannon Briggs on Youtube and Briggs says "George hit real hard and could compete even in today's division."
On the New York based radio show "Boomer and Carton", Gerry Cooney said Foreman hit him harder than any fighter.
Foreman did not only fight small guys and that is an outright LIE.
Speaking of Fighting smaller men,how are the Klitschko bros doing? Adamek,Mormeck,Sosnoski? And it took very long for the all powerful Klitschko bros stop those men. 4 rounds for Mormeck! HahAHHAHA! 4 rounds! And 10 rounds for Adamek. 10 rounds for Sosnowski.
Plus,how the **** do you know about how hard Foreman hit? Did you fight him? Ask Moorer how punches felt.
Ali and Norton gave no credit to Foreman because they disliked him. In Ali's book Ali stated that "George had him out on his feet. with a glancing shot."
And Have you seen Foreman hitting the heavy bag?

Proof: [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMwWynfQKLc[/ame]

And Briggs interview where he praises the power of a nearly 50 year old Foreman at the 3 minute mark:[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiKjRmNVCZ0[/ame]

 

Well Muhammad Ali KO'd George Foreman and decisioned Earnie Shavers almost stopping in the 15th round. What reason would he have to give Earnie more credit than George who was undoubtedly the better fighter?

Norton and Lyle said the same; Shavers hits harder than Foreman. Tillis and Holmes maintain that Shavers hits harder than Tyson.

You're right you don't need world class finishing skills to take out your man. But when you're in against elite fighters; it is their job to keep a lesser man with an incredible punch from getting lucky. Muhammad Ali and Larry Holmes have stellar chins but they were hurt against Earnie- it was Shavers in ability to follow up that destroyed his chances for a KO. Especially with Holmes; he looked like he was shot. He got up, hurt, and managed to stay on his feet until he recovered. Shavers needed one more big punch and he's champion. He simply couldn't deliver.

Think of it like this, take some random 20 year old athlete and give him ____________ (whoever you think hits the hardest) punching power and put him in the ring with the best average chin fighter you can think of. Who wins?

 

Lots of fighters said Shavers hit them harder than anyone they fought who weren't KOed by him. So what real use if their word?

Shavers couldn't take out Holmes. Fine, that's not a big knock on him. But why couldn't he take out Lyle or Mercado or Tillis?

When you're one of the so-called hardest punchers of all time you don't need anything more than one or two clear shots to end the fight. Jackson didn't, Hearns didn't, Cuevas didn't, Tua didn't. Even Arthur Abraham doesn't. Shavers had far too many mediocre fighters survive his power to be called a truly great puncher.

Saying that...

...are you saying Shavers lacked even the barest modicum of boxing skills? That he was nothing but a random old athlete with a big punch? If so that's a pretty big insult to Shavers who, whatever his faults, was not a totally useless goon.

 

This thread is further evidence that Klit-tards are the biggest ****s on this site. They have no appreciation for boxing or great fighters of the past and are only interested in spewing their usual bile about how everyone else is crap and the sisters are the GOAT.

****s.

 

So what about Ali who beat both Foreman and Shavers? He said Shavers hits harder. Norton was stopped by both Foreman and Shavers and he says the same thing. I can't think of any reason they would have or what ulterior motive they may have.

Sam Peter is a big puncher and he had opportunities to take out Wlad in their first fight. His inability to close the show is less a reflection of his power and more a reflection of Wlad's ability to persevere with his will, skill and savvy. Should we say that Peter's punching power is overrated?

Ok so I'm selling him short here but the example was meant to demonstrate when you are in against an elite fighter it takes more than just massive punching power to get the job done. Lewis proved that in the Tua fight. He didn't get hit that often but the few times he got tagged weren't enough to get him out of there.

Shavers was decent fighter and was unable to close the deal against great fighters. As for Tillis, Mercado and Lyle? Well Lyle can hit and he was better skilled than Shavers. Tillis also survived Tyson. Mercado outlasted Shavers; The fight was stopped in after the 3rd round and Mercado was able to get sufficient rest that likely changed the momentum. His inability to beat Mercado or rather stop him has less to do with his punching power and more his skillset and conditioning.

 

saved me writing this post.

why do people post stuff when they've not seen the fights.

 

Holyfield is about as honest as a crackhead from the east side of Detroit! "Michael Dokes hit him hardest", yeah ****in right. Foreman had him in worst trouble so he tried to be all macho and say somebody else hurt him. Shannon Briggs said that "When George hit you, you saw GOD"! That's all I have to go by when it comes to George's power. Also George would knock both Klitchsko's out. George may have not had fast hands but he had very good footwork and he could cut the ring off very well. Wlad and Vitali aren't standing up to his power!