Overrated HW "Punchers" from the past

Soooo much hate on this site. You'd think ESB wasn't a pro-boxing site but rather an avenue to ridicule the sport and condemn its combatants.

Very sad.

 

atsch The whole 70s thing is total bull**** .

 

What is your top 10 ATG Heavyweight list look like?

 

Bubby is a delusional cocksucker. Gained is a fairy boy.

 

I don't know the 'motives' behind any of their comments. Probably they believed them. But does that make what they're saying the absolute inarguable truth? Why didn't Shavers even knock Ali down? He caught him flush enough, several times. Why did it take him three goes to TKO Norton when Cooney had him a dribbling heap with a single concerted attack? These are the sorts of inconsistencies that lead me to question not the validity but the worth of such comments.

I don't know of anyone overrating Peter's power because he simply isn't seen as a monster puncher. His inability to stop Wlad was due to several factors: two of the knockdowns weren't especially damaging and the third came near the end of the fight, and again didn't have Wlad totally out on his feet. He was also getting tied up and outboxed throughout the fight, and lacked the ability to consistently land hard punches to get him out of there.

I realise this is similar to what you're saying of Shavers as well, but the difference is that Shavers is routinely touted as one of, if not the, hardest punchers of all time, Peter isn't. He shouldn't need world class or even sub-world class finishing abilities to end things. The punch should do the work for him the moment it lands.

You mention Tua. I can think of only one fighter who managed to survive a knockdown against Tua and went on to finish the fight, and that was Barrett right at the tail end (in fact retirement fight) of Tua's career. For everyone else, once he knocked you down it was the end. They were too effed up to even mount a half-hearted defence, if they could get up at all.

That's the sort of power I just don't see in Shavers.

Well sure, if you rank Shavers' power on a similar level to Peter's then I can see and agree with all that. But if you're ranking him on a far higher level (as most people do) then there should be no excuse for his not KOing those last three names.

 

This is quite a hypocritical and garbled piece of nonsense. If you're going to disregard Holyfield's word by being "as honest as a crackhead from the east side of Detroit" then you need to disregard every other boxer's word who's ever lied or contradicted themselves, and I doubt that list is very short to be honest. So Foreman had Holy in more trouble than Dokes? Well Bowe and Cooper had him in worse trouble than Foreman, so what do you make of their power? You seem to have no trouble in taking Briggs's word at face value, so how about when he said that Vitali hit him harder than Foreman and Lewis? Take any issue with that?

 

atsch There is no such thing as an all time great .

 

Purrity, Brewster and Sanders shattered Wlads chin to pieces but yet yall Klithuggers think Shavers couldn't???? honestly I see Wlad winning more often than not vs Shavers by playing safety first like always but on the real Shavers is eons ahead of the likes of Brewster/Purrity/Sanders so there's a good chance that he can catch Wlad on his glass chin and KO him cold.

 

Klitscko fan quote of the week :deal atsch:rofl:rofl:rofl

 

I definitely agree that Marciano was more of an accumulation puncher but Tyson and Shavers? You do realize that it's unrealistic to expect someone to KO world class opposition in the first round every time right?

 

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absolute bro only klitschko trolls makes **** threads like this, but good for laughing

 

Its laughable isn't it some people need to get some knowledge, before posting like actualy watching fights

 

Shavers is only overrated because he is considered d hardest hitting , but he was 1 of d hardest hitting 4 real : Jimmy Young , Ken Norton & Jimmy Ellis is a nice list of quick stoppage victims and not by cuts or something like it . Shavers was also d quickest 2 destroy each 1 of them , Young's loss 2 Cooney was due 2 cuts .
Both Markegiano & Tyson , unlike Shavers were dirty fighters who used elbows , Tyson was really consistent with his deliberate missing with d left hook while landing n accurate left elbow .
Rocco was a devastating puncher especially considering his size though .
Sonny Liston was another , his 2 quick KOs of Patterson were impressing , but Patterson was shaky 4 a heavyweight , and was a lightheavyweght at most in 2day's standards . Rocco was a lightheavyweight as well , despite his worshipers rarely acknowledge it .
I love your avatar BTW .
Joe Louis was another , he either struggled 2 stop much smaller men , or had 2 land a lot vs equally sized or somewhat bigger bums .
Schmelling and Baer weren't very good , I consider Schmelling a bum .
Schmelling was quite shot when Louis KOd him and never good anyway .
So my list so far is : Tyson , Louis , Liston , Schmelling , Dempsey , Cooney . I partially disagree with u about Shavers & Rocco .

 

for me marciano was one of the hardest puncher of all times without the doubt and F ..... All Haters Marciano was a Beast iron Chin ,Leon Heart he never give up a Real warrior in the ring he is a legend .

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