Overrated/ underrated fighters here on ESB

By "every defeat" you make it sound like they were plentiful. Even counting the Ramirez robbery he lost 4 fights in his entire life, 3 of them in his last 4 fights when well up in weight, well past his prime and 2 vs two of the greatest fighters of the day.

From a sensible perspective it's common knowledge Ramirez was a robbery, nobody debates the Tito scoring and DHL was a very close fight. So we have 4 defeats of which only 2 are debated at all (every defeat was a robbery) Blind Freddy knows 1 was a robbery and the other can be lightly debated from any angle. Not an out and out robbery either way.

I respect you consider Pernell overrated, we all have our opinions.

 

Most underrated fighter on ESB is Naseem Hamed. People love to hate him.

Most overrated is Joe Calzaghe - he has beaten a 1 dimentional overhyped Lacy. Futhermore, he likes to slap.

 

Tyson is rated fairly overall by the posters here I think. There are exceptions, but aren't there always?

Foreman was 42 when he challenged Evander. Great achievement nonetheless, but I thought I'd point that out.

In Calzhage 's case it's got to do with him being protected for most of his career. The US is the mecca of the boxing world, yet Joe has continually sought the sancitude of his own country. He knows the score.
If he wanted to impress the Yanks, he should have fought in the States.

 

im going off what the fans think on this board.

Yes they Underate
Tyson
Foreman
Calzaghe
etc
and what i was trying to get across is that these guys deserve more respect.
and what i meant about
Carnera
is that the only reason he got a shot was because he was big and because of the mob.
he was talented at all thats why he i overated.

and what i meant by my whole thread i the boxers i mentioned deserve more respect and the ones i say are overated well i would hardly call them overated at all like i said i dont like overating fighters at all but if i had to make a list thats it.

Get over it.

 

yeah can i just say by you saying that why dont you ask PBF the last time he left his country.

 

Tell me, just say Marciano somehow came back 17 years after retiring say, and beat the linear champ, either Ali or Frazier, whatever one after being schooled for round after round before pulling out the big Suzie Q, you'd not think much of it? Granted he didn't get thru Holy, Tyson or Lewis and lady luck had smiled upon him but it's a pretty good effort.

 

It all boils down to personal perception i guess. I don't know anyone that can routinely predict nowaday fights with any solid success let alone trying to pick these ones. It's great fun to try tho, of course, and at the end of the day all we can do is put forth the more solid debate.

 

Thats what i mean some overate some underate.

the fans that have Tyson #1 all time well we already know they are the nuthuggers but me i wish Tyson just got more respect from the fans point of view.

Because over here in Australia there was probably 2 men that got people into boxing in the 80's.

1. Mike Tyson
2. Jeff Fenech

Some Loath Tyson some Love him. Me i thank him for making boxing a exciting time while he was in it.

Me i have Tyson number 7 all time at Haevyweight.

 

Foreman proved to me by beating one of the better Heavyweights all time in Joe Frazier that he deserves respect. and who comes back at 42 and KO's a young gun like Moorer.

Goerge Foreman Love him and his bloody Grill.:yep

 

i have no problem when people have Tyson at in there top ten.
Top 5 is a bit rich but i hate the people that come out and go he wouldnt be in my top 20.

Thats what ****'s me off.