Overrated Win vs Underrated Win

Good thread.

Overrated - JC v Lacy - Lacy turned out to be a bit **** but still Joe gets a little too much credit for this one.

Underrated - May v Hatton - Although Hatton moved up in weight this was a very risky fight and Mayweather made it look easy - BTW Im a big Hatton fan.

 

Overrated win: Bernard Hopkins vs Jean Pascal II

Now don't get me wrong, I love Bernard Hopkins and I was genuinely struggling with trying to come up with an overrated win that didn't involve Haye, a Klitschko, Mayweather, Pacquiao etc. History I think tends to adjust and a win is seen for what it is in the end, while its much easier to actively pull out what could be or will be considered an overrated win in years to come. I'm going to put this out there though. While Bernard was old, while Pascal was the young dog and the man at 175, he was clearly limited in a way that shocks me when I watch Berto, Ortiz or other young world champions today. Bernard knew what to do because hes the smartest man in the game, and he just had to use the skills he'd focused on developing his entire career compared to say how young fighters today focus more on pushing a tire up and down some stairs for training camp. A brilliant win, but it is being made out I feel to be the greatest win since Turpin beat Robinson, which it isn't. A very good win, not a win that should make you **** yourself though.

Underrated win: Shane Mosley vs Luis Collazo.

Dare I mention Shane Mosley in a positive light on ESB anymore? Well I will in this case, both because I am still a little drunk and because I believe this to be a very good win, an underrated win, and a win that reveals more about the skills possessed by the once great Shane Mosley. Collazo is a tricky customer, hes has quick hands, good fundamental skills, uses his Southpaw stance well, and is a truly tough guy. Collazo gave Hatton and Berto all they could handle with a sizeable number of people saying he was robbed in the process. Boxing politicking aside no mistake could be made about whether this fight was a robbery or not. Shane Mosley put on a brilliant boxing display after making an early adjustment to Collazo, and decisively beat Collazo down knocking him to the canvas in the process. It was a brilliant display of Mosley's right hand accuracy and the last time he had to work to throw combination shots yet threw them anyway (compared to say Margarito who wore a sign around his neck saying "Hit me with combinations to the body and head Shane").

 

when can you stop sucking floyds dick?

 

Lancs, I agree with you on both cases:

Bhop is one of my favs but after what we saw in the first fight which he should've won, the anticipation to the rematch only held the question of how much Bhop has left and how he fought he has 2-3 more big performances in him. I love the series but it's not Robinson-Fullmer 2 as far importance. Speaking of old times, many people forget that Walcott-Charles IV was very close and could've gone either way but I'm not sure if it could been considered overrated. I've also heard that Robinson may have gotten robbed against Fullmer but I'm not sure if it was only one time.



As far as Mosley, for some reason he was never held to high regard though he's faced better competition than a Floyd or Calzaghe or even a Klitschko believe it or not. Yes he has many losses but it's his willingness to fight that kind of opposition is what he should be applauded for(I love Shane still but he lost the second DLH fight, for some reason people always want to juice against him lol). Shane is shot yet people use his performance against Pacquiao as more bullets for their ammunition to hate on him saying Shane "ran the whole fight" yet it was Pacquiao who had the pressure on him and failed heavily to impress. IMO Floyd batters Pacquiao if he's not too rusty,faded as he's being stupid wasting his career post-DLH win though I've accepted Floyd/Pacquiao won't happen as they are being spoiled princesses now. Shane is great and the man has brought us much more wars/entertaining fights than snoozers lets not forget that. SRL & SRR themselves said he deserves to be a sugar so he doesn't need a bunch of internet warriors to try to decide if he deserves the moniker because he clearly does.

 

Calzaghe destoryed Eubank and floored and hurt him a few times and he gets no credit for that win. Eubank arguably beat Collins in the rematch (and I'm a Collins fan, he's going to be ringside for my fight) and then went on to arguably beat Thompson and get really unlucky in the rematch (Thompson went on to beat Haye).
Calzaghe's win's over Reid (who is massively underated these days because American's ducked) where he won with a broken hand and Hopkins are massively underated. I agree with the Pacquiao one because I thought Barrera beat Marquez but he did punch him in the head after he floored him, I would have counted the KD though.

Now go write a couple of 5000 page essays on boxing to celebrate leaving uni even though you've probably never done it yourself.:thumbsup

 

What a wonderful thing hindsight is. A lot of revisionist history going on in this thread. If you try hard enough you can underrated/overrate ANY win.

 

But in my post I said that he should be applauded for even facing that kind of opposition which fighters like Floyd would never do. I do admit that for his top performances(DLH 1, Johnson, Leija, Margarito) he does have performances that should be held against him(Mayorga though he did figure him out in the mid rounds and ko'd him, Forrest 1, Wright 1). He did look good in some losses(Forrest 2 at times, Wright 2, Cotto). He gets underrated you can't deny that. People forget how damn good he looked as a lightweight and against DLH in the first fight. Reread my post.


People go as far as to say he didn't have a jab which he did, he just didn't use it often. Look at the Diaz & Ceballos fights. It wasn't that accurate or strong but decent.

 

What's wrong with doing the new strength and conditioning routines? The guy in your avatar does them.

Unless you've trained the old methods and new methods and fought guys doing both you can't really say what works. Personaly I think boxers today are more explosive. If you watch Hearns-Leonard 2 and then Martinez-Pavlik you could say that they are throwing more punches and seemingly harder punches than they were back then. Still each to their own I wouldn't neccisarily say modern athletes are better and I'm definetly not saying that in this case but the strength and conditioning is good these days.

 

True especially when you have fanboys trying to make their hero look better or haters trying to make fighters look much worse than they actually are.

 

overrated win: ortiz vs berto...
underrated win: pacquiao vs margo