Overrating punchers who wreck bums with style but haven't faced A tier opposition yet

Golovkin, who else?
Dont worry, when he faces an A opponent, he'll be exposed...
This dude is the humble version of Broner, with same fate...

 

Very few fighters have ever fought and beaten even one single "A tier opponent."

Russell Jr, Wilder, Fury, Chahkiev, endless more of highly spoken of, essentially prospects

Golovkin, Quillin, D. Andrade, endless more of highly spoken of titlists and ranked fighters

edit: just now acknowledged "puncher" in the thread title... woops...

 

Ggg

 

ginger

 

Usually when they get overrated there are tell-tale signs. Like having been in trouble, down, or actually losing against a (supposed to be) weaker opponent and then getting saved by either their money shot, the referee or the judges.
Sparring against good opposition and getting ridiculed against them, or just showing glaring flaws wich would be a big nono against actual top tier.

But I guess a lot in this thread just hope some guys are turning out to be overhyped without showing one of these, just because he doesn't have the "right" skincolor, is from a "wrong" part of the world, has beaten or is the big rival of one of their favorites, or any combination of that.

 

I agree with you completely... (I assume you are talking about Golovkin, so here we go) But when Golovkin is compared to other fighters who have faced greater opposition than he does deserve a shout in here, particularly when it is the resume in question.

When it comes to the reasons why people don't like a fighter, list the reverse of those and that is often the only reasons why they do like the fighters they do.

I seem to only only ever say negative things on these threads about Golovkin based solely on the majority's over-inflating of what he has actually done. Not how he looks. He looks the goods and then some. But against who? Daniel Geale, who most people think pretty much sucks based on what they say about him, would be Golovkin's greatest victory by a mile, and that is Geale coming off an upset loss. It just can't be ignored really when the guy is one of the most talked about boxers in the world and gets credit that other guys relative to him deserve much more of. In the end most of his worshipers are being hypocrites for citing negatives of other fighters when they apply to him (yes, that is done and arguable with every opinionated statement regarding boxing, but still more so in this case).

 

1. Who relative to GGG deserves "much more" credit?

2. Geale would not be GGG's "greatest victory by a mile".

3. Just what this thread was missing, your special brand of sanctimonious stupidity.

 

thats not the subject of this thread though

 

Funny how Tyson gets no credit for fighting 'weak oppoosition', yet Lewis gets rated very highly for beating the exact same fighters.

Biggs, Bruno, Tucker, Botha, Golota, Ruddock. All guys Tyson wasted, but never gets credit for, yet Lewis beat the same guys and hes occasionaly mentioned as a top 3 ATG.

Tysons record is very good, when you dig deeper
most guys he stopped had never been stopped before and some had never been stopped after.

He also routinely Kod guys in one round whod performed much better against other good/great fighters

Not being able to stop Holyfield or Lewis shouldnt count against someone.

 

I agree. I think Tyson's resume is underrated. He gave Spinks his only loss, and he beat Holmes, albeit an old version of him. That's two ATGs right there. He also beat Bruno and Ruddock, who are decent fighters.

 

If anyones overrated, its Tua. He gets made out to be this KO machine, yet, all he did was Ko taxi drivers, toilet cleaners, a couple of glass jawed fighters like Moorer and Maskaev and some never weres like Izon.

Most of his wins came late in the fight when he was being completely schooled. Mcall knocked Maskaev out in one round yet Tua didnt get it done until late in the fight. Moorer always had a dodgy chin and hed been brutally kod by Holyfield years earlier.

Tyson not only beat better comp, but he destroyed better competition, only once did Tyson ever need to pull out a home run punch when he was losing and that was Botha (and also Douglas, kind of).

People keep comparing Tua to Tyson, its like comparing Wilder to Foreman, or Chisors to Frazier. Totally different leagues apart. Obvuiously Tuas record looks all nice and pretty (mainly against taxi drivers).
Id dare someone to post Tuas top 10 knockouts (over quality opposition) and keep a straight face and tell me the guy was better than Tyson.

 

Mitch Green - Tyson couldnt Ko this guy, Mitch Green boxed on for a further 20 years after facing Tyson, no one ever stopped him.

Smith - stunk the fight out so bad and did his best to hug and hold to make it to the final bell, one of the worst fights ever.

Tillis - Tysons first step up, he was still green and fighting an experienced journeyman whod been in with Biggs, Coetzee, Frazier, Witherspoon, Williams, Page, Thomas, Shavers and Weaver before facing Tyson.

Tucker - the only guy who fought both Lewis/Tyson (apart from Holyfield) and was stopped by neither, he also fought much better versions of both Tyson and Lewis than Holy did. Between them Tyson/Lewis Kod Bruno, Botha, Biggs, Golota and Ruddock.

Berbick - Tyson was the first and only guy to KO Berbick, he boxed on for another 14 years and was never stopped again.

Thomas - Tyson was the first guy to Ko Thomas

Holmes - Tyson was the first and only guy to ever Ko Holmes and Holmes boxed into his 50s

Spinks - Undefeated and Tyson was the first and only guy to KO Spinks.

Biggs - was undefeated and Tyson was the first person to Ko him

Tubbs - Tyson was the first person to Ko Tubbs and he did it in 2 rounds, something Bowe struggled to pull off.

Mathis Jr - fought Bowe, Biggs, Williams. Tyson was the first to stop him

Savarese - Fought Holyfield, Foreman, Izon, Grant, Buster Douglas. Tyson was the only one who stopped him in one round.

Ruddock - has a controversial loss to David Jaco apparently the fight was stopped due to him having an asthma attack, Tyson was the first guy to properly TKO Ruddock.

Etienne - would go on to beat Brewster (who beat you know who), he fought Valuev, Oquendo, Botha, Brock. Tyson was the only one who Kod him in 1rd

Stewart -fought Foreman, Holyfield, Moorer, Maskaev. Tyson was the only one who stopped him in one round.

Bruno - lost to punchers like Witherspoon, Lewis and Smith. Tyson stopped him twice, both times quicker than the rest.

Williams - fought Tillis, Holmes, Ferguson, Weaver, Cooper, Morrison, Berbick, Witherspoon, Bruno. Tyson was the only one to KO him in one round

These guys werent bums, but Tyson was wiping the floor with them

 

I would like to add Kirkland to this list. He got knocked out by a featherfisted Japanese journeyman, and was on his way to losing to Molina.

 

bredis presscott comes to mind, the dude could spark out any bum or glass chin, but once he got to the elite lv, he could not blow them away

 

Do you expect a rising fighter to fight a champion or someone in the top 10 in his early fights?