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There are many mistakes and gaps in your knowledge judging by this post, but I don't have time to go through them all just now as I have to knock off for the night.

Some last thoughts:

Oscar beat Quartey (and he deserved it IMO), he beat a better version of Whitaker than Trinidad did, he beat Trinidad (even though the judges robbed him), he won the second fight with Mosley (even though the judges robbed him), and if you examine closely Oscar's resume and Tito's resume, Oscar's is deeper and stronger all things considered. It definitely is IMO.

Chavez does not deserve to be in a higher tier than Hagler, Hearns, Hopkins, Holyfield, Ortiz, Napoles etc. Chavez does not deserve to be in the same tier as Louis, Saddler, Jofre, Gavilan, Canzoneri, Wilde etc. Chavez has a very good resume but not a great one.

That is all. :bbb

 

I see, cool, we are on the same page on this one :good

 

Right now, Pac is a 5-weight world champion. If he beats Hatton, he is a 6-weight world champion, same as De La Hoya. If he can then win a world title at welter, he will be the very first 7-weight world champion in boxing history, and his record of winning world titles at flyweight (112lbs) and welterweight (147lbs) will most likely never ever EVER be done again by anyone.

Now, when Mayweather comes back, I don't expect him to fight for a world title at 147 before he fights Pac, I think he will only come back for the one-off superfight. I also don't expect Pac to fight for a world title at welterweight before facing Mayweather, because the risk for Pac would be too great. Pac fighting a prime welter puts a Pac-PBF showdown in jeopardy as the chance exists that Pac could be badly beaten and so diminish the public anticipation for Pac-PBF.

So even if Pac beats Mayweather at 147, he would still need to fight another welter to go down in history as the first ever 7-weight world champ.

Going by my list,

- if Pac beats Hatton, he moves above Mayweather and Lewis and goes up alongside Chavez, Hopkins, Hearns, Hagler etc

- if Pac beats Hatton and Mayweather, he moves above Roy Jones and goes up alongside Leonard and Whitaker etc

- if Pac beats Hatton and Mayweather and wins a world title at welterweight, he moves above Leonard and Whitaker, and goes up alongside Charles and Duran etc


That's my own position on the future of Pac.

 

**** off you dribbling ******, and take your pathetic envy with you. You find that 100 on any website and I cancel my account with this site. Stupid ****. :hi:

 

I haven't fell into the trap of putting my own spin on history, I have knowingly and willingly walked into that trap as this is my list which reflects my own opinions. For instance, I strongly believe Whitaker beat Chavez, so I credit Whitaker with that win and register Chavez with that loss. If you choose to do your own list differently then fair enough, but this is how I believe personal lists should be done and that's why I chose to do mine like this. I cannot credit both guys with a draw when I strongly believe it wasn't a draw, that doesn't make sense with me when I am making my own subjective list. Of course there are many fights and decisions that I haven't seen and don't know of, but all I can do is make my list the best way I know how. This isn't a science and there is no-one on the planet who has seen every one of every fighter on this list's fights, so I make my decisions on the knowledge I have. It's not science, it's not perfect, it is what it is, it's mine and I'm happy with it.

Hopkins is ranked so much higher than Calzaghe because I think Hopkins has a substantially stronger resume, he was a substantially better and more skilled fighter at his peak, and that Hopkins reigned over a division as a unified and then undisputed champion for a number of years while also the reigning world p4p#1 - two things that Calzaghe never achieved. That I think Hopkins won their fight was of only peripheral significance.

If Jones, Holyfield, De La Hoya, anyone, keep losing once their peaks are long gone, an emphatic NO, it does not change my opinion of them at all. I don't see the connection between a 46-year-old Holyfield having the balls to fight and lose to Valuev, and his overall greatness. These twilight losses have no impact on his legacy or how good he was at his peak, it doesn't change what he achieved in any way.

IMO :bbb