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  1. DINAMITA

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    I knew McCallum would be picked out and I understand why, but I am a huge fan of his and I am sorry but he stays. The best light-middleweight ever IMO, underrated fighter.
     
    DINAMITA, Dec 12, 2008
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  2. DINAMITA

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    Here is why De La Hoya should be ranked higher:

    He won the second fight with Mosley clearly IMO, so that puts them level on 1-1 h2h, so Mosley doesn't have that advantage over Oscar for me. Nor should he for you considering his recent confession.

    Remove the De La Hoya wins from Mosley's resume and what are you left with?? Very very little. I think Mosley's resume is often shockingly overrated on this forum. Who is the best fighter he beat excluding Oscar? Philip Holiday? A shot Fernando Vargas? Luis Collazo?!

    Oscar's resume annihilates Shane's - it is not even close in any way.

    Add to that Oscar won 10 world titles in 6 weight divisions, far more than Shane.


    There is no case to be made for ranking Mosley higher. None at all.
     
    DINAMITA, Dec 12, 2008
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  3. DINAMITA

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    I think Toney has a slightly better resume, was a slightly better fighter in his prime (this is very much open to debate I understand, but for me '91-'94 mw Toney was a special fighter, superb skills), and his exploits at heavyweight (which I rate highly, I know many don't) give him the edge in achievement too. Close but clear IMO.
     
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  4. DINAMITA

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    I'm happy with my rating of Hagler. For me he has to be tier 4.

    Thanks for the comment though :good
     
    DINAMITA, Dec 12, 2008
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  5. DINAMITA

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    You are a very mature and gracious Tito fan. I wish I could be as mature and gracious whenever people say Calzaghe should be rated above Hopkins or Pac... :fire:lol:
     
    DINAMITA, Dec 12, 2008
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  6. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    I think Johnson deserves to be around #80-90 personally. Not just Lynch (who could be argued higher), but several guys on the list should be lower than Johnson IMO. The man has a superb resume.

    I'll have to order the film of his fight with Charles to judge it myself as I have heard a few claims that it was a bad decision, although nothing at all outragous that Harold got the win.

    It's all deserved. This may be the best top 100 I've seen, no glaring problems at all, except Johnson should be included. :good
     
    the cobra, Dec 12, 2008
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  7. DINAMITA

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    I must try and get some more footage of Johnson in that case. If you had to place him in there now, whose place would he take?
     
    DINAMITA, Dec 12, 2008
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    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    I'd rank him over guys like Benvenuti, Trinidad, Zarate, Calzaghe, Locche, Cervantes. Whoever is your #100 you could bump out.

    I think putting Johnson over the likes of McCallum, Chocolate, Toney, Nelson, really anyone inside of your tier seven can be justified, not that he necessarily should be, but he should certainly be on par with them IMO.
     
    the cobra, Dec 12, 2008
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  9. DINAMITA

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    You said you could see the argument for having Lynch higher, so I expect you wouldn't push him out for Johnson. If you were re-working tiers seven and eight to incorporate Johnson, who would be the man who would be left out of the hundred?
     
    DINAMITA, Dec 12, 2008
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  10. eze

    eze Everybody Know Me Full Member

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    That's why All Time P4P list are stupid.
     
    eze, Dec 12, 2008
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  11. DINAMITA

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    Boxing fans are divided into two schools of thought I think: (1) those who believe you have to have seen footage of a boxer to have an opinion on them, and (2) those who believe you can have an opinion on a boxer having never actually seen them fight. I believe both schools of thought are perfectly legitimate, so I wouldn't take issue with your point of view.

    Personally, I used to belong to (1) but now I belong to (2). My reasons for changing my position on this are (a) I have realized just how much you can learn about boxing by reading different sources, both primary and secondary, and (b) it seems a bit silly and a bit disrespectful to me that boxing fans like ourselves should choose to ignore/reject/forget some of the amazing fighters that shaped the formative years of our sport.


    IMO :bbb
     
    DINAMITA, Dec 12, 2008
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  12. HOF

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    These lists are always subjective and I can honestly say I do not have a sufficient in-depth knowledge of all these names to debate their comparative merits. What I do find interesting from a British perspective, and I suppose we all look at who the top fighters are from our own parts of the world as a reference point in such matters, is the place Lennox Lewis is given. The consensus opinion among the British boxing press is that Lennox isn't the greatest post war British fighter
     
    HOF, Dec 12, 2008
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  13. eze

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    Cool.


    I dont watch a lot of the past fighters because it's about here and now. I care about whats going on now, who's fighting who.
     
    eze, Dec 12, 2008
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  14. the cobra

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    They all have a case for top 100, so it's no sure thing. Looking at your list maybe Benvenuti would be my top choice. He was a real talent, 2-1 against Middleweight Griffith and some other nice wins, but I think top 80 is pushing it, and I would probably have him just outside the 100.

    There's not much between a lot of the guys ranked towards the end, so it's a tough decision.

    Who do you rank the lowest of these 100?
     
    the cobra, Dec 12, 2008
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  15. DINAMITA

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    I agree with them - Jimmy Wilde is. That's why I have him higher than Lewis on my list.*

    * - I have since re-read your post and realized my error here.
     
    DINAMITA, Dec 12, 2008
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