P4P Battle. Who was the Best Number 1. RJJ Vs Floyd Vs Pac Vs DLH

i picked manny based on the competition he's facing.

 

It kind of depends on the criteria. If we go by who was proving it:

DLH
Pac
May
RJJ

By ability:
RJJ
May
Pac
DLH


DLH was taking on the best competition. Guys in their prime at their natural weights. Pac is taking on names, but they don't really mean much. May and RJJ look good, but it's against inferior competition. I would assume they wouldn't look so hot against the competition DLH or Pac are/were taking on and would maybe even look the same skill level as them. May just manages to not fight the best, some of his fault of the competition. RJJ was in a weight class with nobodies.

 

roy jones

 

Valuev obviously. But since he hasn't been included I'd say Jones.

 

Good thread, tough to pick a standout, which there isnt one. Id go for
Jones
Mayweather
Pacquiao
De La Hoya

 

I guess whomeever held the position the longest no ?

 

Between RJJ, Floyd, and Manny thats very tough to say. Floyd being undefeated may give him the nod but I dont know... However I don't think ODLH is in the same class as the other 3 even though he had a nice run. Every super fight Oscar was in other then JCC x2 (an under sized, aging JCC), and Sweet Pea... HE LOST.

 

Manny Pacquiao
Oscar de la Hoya
Roy Jones Jr.
Floyd Mayweather

Manny Pacquiao rose to the top in my opinion through beating the extremely tough competition he was facing at 126 and 130. He did it the old fashioned way, he went out of his way to face the best possible and he was lucky in the sense that the best he could face were all times greats Barrera and Morales, and potential ATG Marquez. He then added to that by weight jumping and taking lineal titles from, although he seems to have lost that spark of fighting the best possible opponents and focusing on titles, vacant or belonging to the weakest guy...takes a little edge off his current reign as the P4P king, but when he rose to the top...wow. Best reign I've lived through.

de la Hoya followed the same sort of route as Manny (or should I say Manny followed the same sort of route as Oscar :yep), going out and beating the best around whether it be Gonzalez, Ruelas, Hernandez, Chavez, Whitaker etc. Roy just didn't beat the best consistantly. Yeah he may have dominated his by beating x y and z but beating Hopkins and Toney doesn't compare to Oscar beating Whitaker and Chavez. Oscar stopped Chavez twice and took a slim decision against Whitaker, but a clear win in my eyes. From 1997 to 2000 Oscar was the best pound for pound fighter in my opinion, maybe not as dominant as Roy in his victories when Oscar decided to move up to 147 but he still did enough for me to clearly rank his reign at P4P king over Roy's run.

Pretty much cleared up Roy's above. Absolutely marvellous victories over Hopkins and Toney with good wins over the likes of Ruiz, Griffith, Tarver etc but a lot of the time he seemed to be fighting guys on par with Oscar fighting Darryl Tyson and David Kamau. He was just too good for guys like Thornton and Hall, yet he wasn't fighting Michalczewski and as much as I loved his domination of Ruiz he never made the effort (I would have given him insane props for it) to fight guys like Lewis. de la Hoya actually went for the likes of Trinidad and Hopkins...his record is just hit and miss in places for me.

Mayweather...he could come back to tomorrow and beat everyone in my opinion from 140 to 154 with ease, however that is irrelevant in this argument. Mayweather rise to P4P prominence stalls somewhat after his bout with Castillo. He's going up against guys like Hopkins, Trinidad, de la Hoya, Jones,Mosley and Barrera for that accolade and he just doesn't fight the guys who are good enough to see him rise to the top. What Mayweather does do though is consistency throughout his career. While those guys pick up losses here and there Mayweather doesn't and constantly finds himself as the best one or two in the world even if he doesn't take on the likes of Tszyu, Forrest, Mayorga etc. Mayweathers sheer consitancy is what brings him to the top of the pile for me, not any brilliant wins. I mean his best wins are spilt by the space of 7 years or so for me, Corrales and then de la Hoya. There are some good wins in the middle, but nothing that makes you think he deserved to be ranked over de la Hoya, Mosley, Trinidad, Jones etc on the pound for pound lists.

For me this is pretty easy. I think you have 4 different careers with varying degrees of success, but the positioning of each on a list should be easy.

 

ODLH fought tougher fights than all these guys put together (Money excluded). 2 generations of Mayweathers (1 with eddie futch as a trainer), also a JCC and a Pernell whitaker that were both in the best shape than either had been in in at least a half a decade. Also wins over a peaked Fernando Vargas,Genero Hernandez, Miguel Angel Gonzalez, Ike Ouartey and Mayorga qualify as very tough wins. Roy has never had that much on his plate! Never!

 

vargas wasn't a great win. a good one, but not great. trinidad took everything that vargas was, away. DLH just picked what little meat there was left from the bones.

quartey was robbed. DLH shouldn't have got that decision. they wanted to keep his mega fight with trinidad alive, so gave him the win. they did the same thing to sturm.

 

Myth. Trinidad beat him up good but Vargas then fought two very tough guys in Flores and Rivera and did what Fernando Vargas always does, beat people up. When he fought Oscar, he fought a very determined fight, had it even over 6 but was broken down in the same way that Trinidad broke him down. Vargas was done after Oscar, when he started to struggle with his weight yet once again fought a very determined fight against Mosley in their first fight before being finally blown away in 6 in the rematch. Trinidad had a very good win, Oscar also had a very good win, Shane got two good wins.

Ok, Sturm was a robbery but no way in hell the Quartey fight was. How on earth is a close fight a robbery? For me Oscar won that fight, for others he didn't. Ok thats fair but to call it a robbery is fail...a big dose of fail. A robbery is the Trinidad fight or the Mosley II fight.

 

I have a question for everyone voting Roy Jones in the poll. If Mike Tyson was in the poll would you vote for Mike over Roy?

 

good summery:thumbsup