Final 2011 P4P Rankings Below 130lbs Just a quick update before the final rankings of 2011 are released. 105lbs Akira Yaegashi impressively captured the WBA belt while Kazuto Ioka sparked Yodgoen in one, him vs. Nkosinathi Joyi would be awesome 108lbs Kompayak Porpramook captured the WBC belt via knockout over Andrian Hernandez 112lbs EPIC last months at flyweight as Viloria upset our no5 guy Segura crowning a great year in style. Wonjongkam dominated Edgar Sosa then another defence ended in technical draw via headbutt. Mthelane, making a lot of noise, easily beat Sarritzu and Hernan Marquez sparked out Concepcion in 1. A loaded division heading into a great year! 115lbs Suriyan who upset Rojas for the WBC belt continued his fine run with a win over Nashiro while Tepparith Kokietgym defeated Daiki Kameda for the WBA title 118lbs another loaded division saw Donaire dominating Narvaez then moving up, Mares clearly beating Agbeko, Arce and Yamanaka capturing a belt and Moreno putting on a masterpiece vs Darchinyan 122lbs no notable action here other than Donaire moving up and looking to fight Vazquez Jr. 126lbs looks like Gamboa is moving up but it's not yet official, Caballero beat both Barros and Hosono, John beat Merdov and Gonzalez sparked R. Caballero - how about him facing Celestino? 1. = Nonito Donaire (122lbs) 2. = Toshiaki Nishioka (122lbs) 3. ▲ Pongsaklek Wonjongkam (112lbs) 4. ▼ Yuriorkis Gamboa (126lbs) 5. ▲ Roman Gonzalez (108lbs) 6. ▲ Abner Mares (118lbs) 7. ▲ Anselmo Moreno (118lbs) 8. ▼ Chris John (126lbs) 9. N Brian Viloria (112lbs) 10▲ Nkosinathi Joyi (105lbs) Missing out: Koki Kameda, Orlando Salido, Kazuto Ioka, Moruti Mthelane, Celestino Caballero ____________________________________________________________________________ Mine is something like this (original, April 2008 ): 1. Israel Vazquez 2. Rafael Marquez 3. Ivan Calderon 4. Chris John 5. Cristian Mijares 6. Fernando Montiel 7. Daisuke Naito 8. Nonito Donaire 9. Ulises Solis 10. Takefumi Sakata
not including 130 then.. 1. Vasquez 2. Marquez 3. Calderon 4. Mijares 5. Montiel 6. Chris John 7. Donaire 8. Penalosa 9. Solis 10. Wongkongjam - lost and draw to naito, but wins i think 3x against him early in his career
Wonjongkam and Naito have met 4 times already. Wonjongkam holds the record in the FlyW division for the fastest KO ever in a championship fight. He finished off Naito in just 34 seconds in 2002. Naito lost he second one in Japan via TD in 2005. Both fights in 2007 and 2008 could've gone either way but both fights were held in Japan so Naito got the victory in their 3rd and the split draw in the 4th. The very rare 5th fight probably coming. All world title fights!
After he won the SFW unification bout vs. Munoz convincingly (getting his most important win to date) and clearly became the no1 in his division (not undisputed though, he has to fight Montiel sooner or later), Cristian Mijares moves up a few places on my below 130 P4P list. 1. = Israel Vazquez 2. = Rafael Marquez 3. ▲ Cristian Mijares 4. ▼ Ivan Calderon 5. ▼ Chris John 6. = Fernando Montiel 7. = Daisuke Naito 8. = Nonito Donaire 9. = Ulises Solis 10. = Takefumi Sakata
I do like your list, but mines goes a little something like this.. 01. Israel Vazquez 02. Rafael Marquez 03. Ivan Calderon 04. Cristian Mijares 05. Fernando Montiel 06. Chris John 07. Nonito Donaire 08. Ulises Solis 09. Steve Molitor 10. Daisuke Naito
Magnifico Mijares Rafa Calderon Solis John Linares Penalosa Donaire Montiel none of those Jap belt-holders impress me.
Linares is absent on alot of your lists. 1. Calderon 2. Chris John 3. Vasquez 4. Marquez 5. Linares 6. Mijares 7. Montiel 8. Donaire 9. Molitor 10. Solis
Linares IS P4P material... but he's absent because as I've said, a P4P list is about accomplishments. All 10 did more in their division to earn their spots than Linares, who's best win is a KO vs. the washed-up Larios... Gamaliel Diaz is just not a very notable win even if it was beautiful as well... If Linares beat Guerrero or Luevano, I'd CONSIDER putting him on the list...
a p4p list should be about who are the best fighters. Resumes are but an important tool among many others to determine who are the best fighters imo
Okay, I respect your opinion and damn I just love Linares... PLEASE PUT HIM TOGETHER WITH JOHN TEIKEN/GOLDEN BOY PROMOTIONS! But (IMO of course) I'd feel I'm desrespecting the other 10 I've put on the list by putting Linares ahead any of them... be patient, he's got the tools to crack into the 'big' P4P list as well if he keeps winning on a higher level of competition...
I had thought about putting both Linares & Guerrero in the top 10 somewhere.. It's a lot harder to rank these guys p4p than it is for the higher division fighters..
Guerrero was beaten handily by Orlando Salido, who was then accused of taking steroids and stripped of the title. According to boxrec: [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Salido denies steroid charge! [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"I beat Guerrero fair and square, [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] I don't take drugs, I never have taken drugs!"[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]November 10, 2006 [/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]By Mack Danife[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] This content is protected [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Photo: Chris Cozzone[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]It has been widely reported that according to the Nevada State Athletic Commission, IBF featherweight champion Orlando Salido tested positive for steroids in a urine test taken prior to his world title fight with Robert Guerrero.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"That statement is incorrect," says the Salido camp. "Yes, the test found levels of Nandrolone higher than normal in his system and that set off rumors of steroid usage.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"A physician who wishes to be unnamed until formal hearings states that Nandrolone is a substance created by the human body. And weight loss or dehydration can set off and cause abnormal amounts of Nandrolone to be produced. Nandrolone can also show up in urine in quantities above the upper limit from a combination of high-protein diets utilizing the legal nutritional supplement creatine and hard cardiovascular exercise.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"The NSAC findings were a higher level. Someone ran with the steroids story and that is wrong!" [/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"Let me make one thing emphatically clear", said Salido in his official statement given at his team camp.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"I believe in the tradition, honor and respect in the sport of boxing and I do not use - and have never used - performance-enhancing drugs. I am disappointed in the NSAC decision to strip the IBF title that I have worked very hard for.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"I will make myself available anytime and anywhere to meet with the investigators in this case. They are also welcome to review my long history of boxing and will find that I have never used performance-enhancing drugs.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"I am thankful my management, trainers and my advisor Fernando Beltran at Zanfer who have stood by me in this very difficult time. I do understand the power of perception, but I also know that in America you are innocent until proven gulity.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"I am confident my name will be cleared, and I look forward to boxing for many more years to come. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]As for Roberto Guerrero's negative comments about me, I have no comments, because I am a gentleman and a champion. I do my talking in the ring."[/FONT] http://www.fightnews.com/danife08.htm
It was an interesting situation. Salido never had a strong promoter behind him to defend his position... unfortunately it shows how our sport works if you are the one who supposed to lose... But hopefully we'll see the rematch since Salido is Guerrero's mandatory. Here's my thread on this topic: http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=62694