~ P4P below 130 ~

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  1. PacDbest

    PacDbest Boxing Addict Full Member

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    In my eyes it will be:

    Donaire
    Linares
    Vasquez
    Rafa
    Calderon
    Chris John
    Penalosa
    Mijares
    Guerrero
    AJ Banal
    Concepcion
     
  2. Sandmanl337

    Sandmanl337 Pactard Full Member

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    I like Concepcion.. A fight with Molitor would be great, but they have already ruled that out as a possibility since Concepcion isnt ranked by the IBF..
     
  3. PacDbest

    PacDbest Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Donaire and Conception were the most ducked fighter in the lower division. Donaire can't get a fight at 112 and nobody's intersted to get Koed at 115.

    Concepcion was twice ducked by two top fighters in Juan ma lopez and Molitor.
     
  4. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    John not over Mijares, Calderon under him also.

    Should be Izzy, Rafa, Mijares on accomplishments.

    Reasoning? John's comp outside of his robbery decision over JMM is not that great, Mijares is now a unified champ and has fought very good comp, dominating them all lately. Calderon has yet to even fight a B+ fighter and has worse performances and worse comp than Mijares.

    In fact, Calderon shouldn't even be ranked over Montiel, if you are judging on competition.
     
  5. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    :rofl

    A list on accomplishments? Donaire and Linares as 1 and 2.

    Please **** off.
     
  6. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You've missed the new one I've just made, counting in Mijares' latest and greatest achievement.

     
  7. Hawks28

    Hawks28 Active Member Full Member

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    hmmm, Concepcion was ducked by Molitor? You might want to read this before making yourself look like a moron: http://philboxing.com/news/story-16579.html

    In case you still havent figured it out, Molitor CANT fight your overhyped, overrated Conepcion, because he isnt rated top 15 by the IBF. Here is the IBFs brand new TOP 15. Do you see Abe anywhere?
    http://www.ibf-usba-boxing.com/index.php

    Now even if he was rated, it would still be a joke for this nobody to think he is the one calling the shots. Who the **** is Concepcion to demand that Molitor face him on a months notice? Lets look at things a little closer. Molitor fought on April 5th, it was his 4th title defense in less than 9 months. After this fight, Molitor took a 1 month vacation away from boxing. That brings us into May. Then we have this clown try to demand that Molitor face him on a months notice, he says no because he is already commited to fighting in August, and somehow he is ducking him. Are Abes handlers as stupid as they appear to be? Molitor is looking for fights against guys like Caballero, Vazquez or Ponce De Leon. Abe has nothing for him right now, and is a waste of his time. What makes Abe in a position to be making these kinds of demands? He hasnt even beaten a top 20 fighter. A close call against Juan Ruiz, and a win over a bum Torrence Daniels, and suddenly this guy can demand that champs face him on a months notice? Not Molitor or ANY of the other champs in the division would've accepted that bull**** offer, and anyone who thinks Concepcion has any right to make demands of these guys is a delusional moron. Concepcion isnt being ducked by any beltholders, he simply hasnt earned the right to fight them. Abe should stop fighting bums. If he wants Molitor so bad, all he has to is beat a guy in the IBFs TOP 15, then he will be in the top 15. But Abes people want to DUCK the entire Top 15, and skip ahead to a title fight, ahead of more deserving challengers? What a joke this guy is.
     
  8. PH|LLA

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    Concepcion isn't even ranked top15. Molitor would beat the **** out of him without breaking a sweat, and in exchange he would get stripped of his belt for fighting a nobody
     
  9. Hawks28

    Hawks28 Active Member Full Member

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    :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: What a garbage and incredibly biased list.
     
  10. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    New list (Montiel vs. Maldonado, Darchinyan vs. Kirilov counted in).

    1. = Israel Vazquez (122lbs)
    2. = Rafael Marquez (122lbs)
    3. = Cristian Mijares (115lbs)
    4. = Ivan Calderon (108lbs)
    5. ▲ Fernando Montiel (115lbs)
    6. ▼ Chris John (126lbs)
    7. = Daisuke Naito (112lbs)
    8. = Nonito Donaire (112lbs)
    9. = Ulises Solis (108lbs)
    10▲ Vic Darchinyan (115lbs)
     
  11. Brickhaus

    Brickhaus Packs the house Full Member

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    If purely on accomplishment:

    1. Israel Vazquez
    2. Rafael Marquez
    3. Ivan Calderon
    4. Chris John
    5. Cristian Mijares
    6. Fernando Montiel
    7. Nonito Donaire
    8. Celestino Caballero
    9. Hozumi Hasegawa
    10. Hugo Cazares
     
  12. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    As for where I rank them P4P right now:

    #1. Israel Vasquez
    #2. Christian Mijares
    #3. Rafael Marquez
    #4. Ivan Calderon
    #5. Chris John
    #6. Fernando Montiel
    #7. Nonito Donaire
    #8. Celistino Caballero
    #9. Takafumi Sakata
    #10. Hozumi Hasegawa
     
  13. albeziel

    albeziel Multi Viral C13 Full Member

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    just wait for next year and we will see how Juanma enters top 5
     
  14. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Calderon has accomplished less than everybody 7 and up.:yep
     
  15. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    There were several big and ranking changing fights in the past 3 months.

    21 years-old huge puncher Roman Gonzalez TKO4 Yutaka Niida in Japan, claims WBA Minimumweight title. He's The Ring and #1 MinW of the world. Is this enough to crack into the top10? IMO not yet.

    Vic Darchinyan KO9 Cristian Mijares. It wasn't even Margarito-Cotto, it was more like Hopkins-Pavlik AND Margarito-Cotto combined: underdog dominates and finishes with stunning knockout. Absolutely masterful performance to unify WBC, WBA, IBF SFlyW titles. Well done Vic! For the moment, the WAY Mijares lost, he should be off the list until he gets back with a convincing performance which I expect soon. Another one vs. Arce?

    Nonito Donaire TKO6 Moruti Mthalane - good to see Nonito back, Vic's win makes him look even better

    Hozumi Hasegawa TKO2 Alejandro Velardez. SBW champ's best win to date, he really put on a performance - he gets the 10th spot for the moment.

    Chris John UD12 Hiroyuki Enoki. Underrated fight between the FW champ and the best Japan had to offer at 126, and John won the tough fight in Enoki's hometown comfortably. Big win.

    Ivan Calderon TD7 Hugo Casares - a more convincing win over Cazares. Fight Solis already!



    New ranking:

    1. = Israel Vazquez (122lbs)
    2. = Rafael Marquez (122lbs)
    3. ▲ Ivan Calderon (108lbs)
    4. ▲ Vic Darchinyan (115lbs)
    5. ▲ Chris John (126lbs)
    6. ▼ Fernando Montiel (115lbs)
    7. ▲ Nonito Donaire (112lbs)
    8. ▼ Daisuke Naito (112lbs)
    9. = Ulises Solis (108lbs)
    10▲ Hozumi Hasegawa (118lbs)