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What is this?

Seriously??

What is the point in even continuing here??

This is absolute waffle, where you’ve gone off on a tangent, talking about things that I’ve never even mentioned.

You’re not even reading what I’ve typed.

You haven’t addressed any of what I’ve said.

You haven’t answered any of my questions.

Yet you’re saying things that I myself have not either implied or said.

You’re in a debate, yet you don’t care what anybody else has to say.

You’re only interested in what you want to say.

So unless you’re going to address my points directly, it’s pointless for me to continue.

You’re like a stuck record, stating that Roy didn’t do much at SMW etc. Yet when I’ve explained why, you won’t even acknowledge it.

So unless you’re going to answer my following questions directly, don’t bother replying.

1. Tell me what Roy could have done, when he COULDN’T obtain unification fights against Liles, Collins and Nardiello in 1996.

2. Tell me who he actually ducked, with some sort of credible evidence.

 

Yeah, he is some sort of a case alright.

Goes on about that I should somehow claimed that Hearns should have ditched Duran or Hagler for McCallum, when I've said half a dozen times already that Medal in '86 was the opponent that seemingly could have been subbed for McCallum (always hard to know the specifics behind the scenes, though, but this of course goes as much for when Jones had more interesting opponents out there than the ones he faced). McCallum would in all likelihood been a substantially better purse.

But as you say, he's not interested in a discussion, as in actually acknowledgeing points he doesn't have an answer for. General Forum quality on him.

 

Roy deserves criticism for what happened with Nunn.

He messed him around.

Nunn became Roy’s mandatory at LHW in 1997.

Roy thought about fighting him. Then he stalled. Then it went to purse bids, before Roy withdrew and relinquished his WBC belt.

The fight wouldn’t have brought much money in, and Nunn had seen a resurgence in form.

So it was a fight that may have been awkward for Roy, with no reward.

I’d have had no issue if Roy had immediately relinquished his belt, but I thought that it was disrespectful of him to not be certain in what he was going to do. He definitely disrespected him and messed him around.

However, Roy’s reasoning, was that he was going to fight James Douglas at HW.

That also became a mess. Because after everything had been agreed in principle, Roy Snr stepped forward and said that he wasn’t going to allow Roy to do it. And that was the first time that they’d spoken in 5/6 years.

Meanwhile, Nunn and Rocchigiani fought for Roy’s vacant title, where Rocchigiani won.

Then the biggest mess of all happened.

After the fight had fallen through with Douglas, Roy told the WBC that he was staying at LHW and he wanted his belt back. But instead of informing him that Rocchigiani was their new champion, they just stripped Rocchigiani and then gave Roy the belt.

It was absolutely outrageous.

Rocchigiani then sued the WBC for millions of dollars.

It was a horrible period for boxing and the division, as just before this, Dariusz had lost his WBA and IBF titles due to boxing politics.

The episode had thrown the LHW division into absolute chaos, where all of the belts became fragmented.

A very sad period for the sport, and very frustrating for all of the fans.

 

Yeah, I went to look for some information myself (and therefore edited out the question) and found it here: https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/Roy_Jones_Jr._vs._Virgil_Hill

According to that, Jones's fight with Rochiggiani was scrapped by the promotor when Rochiggiani didn't turn up for a press conference.

 

The whole thing was a mess.

Roy had already been given the belt back at that stage.

That’s what I believe.

From Rocchigiani’s side, he said that it was already known beforehand that he couldn’t make the press conference.

Roy should have been made to fight Rocchigiani. And if for whatever reason he wasn’t able to, Rocchigiani should still have been the champion.

 

Benn v Jones would have been a huge fight in the UK it would have been the biggest payday in both fighters careers up to that point, Benn v G-man was watched by 15 million viewers on UK TV, it was a huge deal in all the newspapers in the UK.

 

Well, at least some justice for Rocchigiani that he won the lawsuit and probably made much more than he would for an actual fight. But, yeah, seems very shady from WBC and the promoter.

 

Does anyone know what Benn had to say about this? Jones seems to have been more intent on a unification against Liles at this time.

 

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Bingo !!! .. , case closed.

 

What do you mean, case closed??

Who has said that it wouldn’t have been a huge fight?

 

Benn was a true savage.

The interviewer starts by saying that it was a politically difficult fight to make. That was very much the story of that time (and present day until Turki), with promoters and orgs muddling the waters. What exactly came in between here I don't know, though.

 

The Levin’s said that King wanted future options.

Roy said that he’d sign with King for a one off fight and not a multi fight deal.

Nothing happened.

Then Benn declined fast, where he lost to Malinga.

He then retired.

He was then coaxed out of retirement for one last hurrah against Collins, but he had nothing left in the tank.

 

Have a feeling that a certain poster will come along soon and holler about how Jones ducked Benn, completely ignoring this context....

 

Long Live Detroit boxing and Thomas Hearns.