P4P better

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P4P better

  1. Thomas Hearns

    40.5%
  2. Roy Jones Jr

    59.5%
  1. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes. And we can say that Hearns fled MW just when it started to heat up with Nunn, Kalambay, McCallum etc. If such flimsy accusations can be levelled at Jones they should be levelled at Hearns as well.
     
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  2. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Correct.

    It’s ignorance.

    Anybody can name drop guys.

    Greb fought over 300 fights. Yet we could still find guys who he missed for whatever reason.
     
  3. surfinghb

    surfinghb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    i answered the question , you just didnt like the answer, Mike was calling for fights with SRL, Duran, and Hagler. Mike was calling for fights with Tom, Dick, and Harry also .. AGAIN, if Hearns wasnt going up and down in weight for 18 years fighting all these ATGS ,, well then its a different story....
    So yeah if you cant get that then shut it down if you need to
     
  4. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Give us evidence of how Roy cherry picked and was protected.
     
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  5. Bokaj

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    But McCallum never shared a division with Leonard and Hagler so that is just talk.

    But he was a belt holder in the same division as Hearns was. So, at the very least, when Hearns had his last fight at 154 there was an opportunity to face McCallum for a unification.

    It was a fight that could be promoted as a grudge match with bad blood with a former stable mate he had had fierce sparring sessions with. And it wasn't Leonard, Duran or Hagler that came in the way. It was friggin' Medal. So naming them as some obstacles is just blowing hot air.

    As is saying that Jones going to 175 instead of facing Collins is cherry picking, but not facing Medal instead of MCallum.

    Both then and now I feel confident in saying that Hearns-McCallum is a better fight than Jones-Collins (not only in hindsight) and that McCallum was about 50/50 for Hearns (which Collins certainly wasn't for Jones) and both him and Steward knew it: https://www.*******.com/forums/boxing-forums/non-stop-boxing/94212-manny-steward-on-mike-mccallum

    I'll leave it at that.
     
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  6. surfinghb

    surfinghb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    wow. Ground breaking news !!! Mike is 50 -50 against Hearns and Manny wasnt going to match them ... High risk low reward and no money. Hope you didnt spend your entire afternoon coming up with that... I wonder if thats the reason why SRL never came out of retirement to fight Mike.?.. Hearns was going up and down in weight for 18 years fighting the likes of Benetiz, SRL, Hagler, Duran.... and Mike calling out every fighter because he couldnt draw flies... but I guess its the same reason why SRR didnt fight Burley ,, but you wouldnt know that .. And where did Hearns campaign for 2 years straight above WW? go ahead. Because after Toney that resume is Lacking at 168

    I'll leave it at that
     
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  7. Mark Anthony

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    Malinga wasn`t a top fighter when Roy beat him, I don`t even know where he was rated by the santioning bodies by then. In 1989 he got his first shot at a title, taking on undefeated IBF super middleweight title holder Graciano Rocchigiani. Malinga lost a decision, and the next year took on Lindell Holmes, again for the IBF super middleweight title. He again lost via decision, and in 1992 got a shot at the WBO super middleweight title against Chris Eubank, during which Malinga was dropped in the fifth round and lost a close decision. Three months later he was also to lose a close decision—by just half a point—against Nigel Benn. After many fights in his native South Africa, he suffered a KO loss to Roy Jones Jr. in the U.S.
     
  8. Mark Anthony

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    He didn`t fight Nigel Benn after Benn defeated McClellan.
     
  9. Mark Anthony

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    Hill was rated higher in the P4P ring mag ratings than McC\allum and Kalambay when Hearns beat him at 175.
     
  10. Loudon

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    Nobody said that he was a top fighter.

    But he was tough.

    Like a Sakio Bika type of fighter, who could give fighters a tough night.

    He caused Eubank and Benn issues.

    He wasn’t a soft touch.

    The question stands:

    How did Roy cherry pick at SMW, if he’d beaten Toney and Malinga, and he was scheduled to face Liles?

    Maybe you can answer, if you agree. Because nobody else has answered.
     
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  11. Loudon

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    Okay.

    But that’s just a name he didn’t fight.

    Did Roy deliberately duck him?

    He lost to Malinga afterwards.

    He then retired, before coming back and losing to Collins twice.

    There was only a short window.

    I’ve also heard the Levin’s say that they weren’t going to sign Roy over to King, who wanted future options on him.
     
  12. Mark Anthony

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    He fought Malinga at middleweight in 1993.
     
  13. Mark Anthony

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    Maybe, but Benn v Jones was the fight everybody wanted to see after Benn beat G-man.
     
  14. Loudon

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    It was a keep busy fight, which was actually over the MW limit.
     
  15. Loudon

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    It would have been great.

    But where’s the evidence that Roy actively avoided these fights.

    All we’ve got here, is an assumption that he must have ducked whoever that he didn’t fight.

    But that’s not evidence.
     
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