P4P Comparison - Inoue vs Ryan Garcia

Well the difference is, I'm not creating a topic and arguing that Ryan Garcia is better than Inoue. I want to hear from everyone on who they think is better P4P and why. Anotherwords what makes Inoue so much better than Ryan Garcia. Both have the same amount of fights and the same # of knockouts and are closer in weight than Canelo and Inoue.

This topic isn't about comparing Canelo vs Inoue. That was what the other topic was for which was a topic claiming that Inoue was #1 P4P. I had every right to bring up Canelo there because he is currently regaraded as P4P #1. But here it's just a straight comparison between Inoue and Ryan Garcia. Now I give you credit you're at least trying to do the comparison. But you haven't made any reasl argument besides you just saying that RG isn't as good as Inoue. I'm looking for actual reasons, arguements as to why Inoue is better. And further, even if you rate Inoue higher, which is perfectly fine, what if anything does Ryan Garcia do better than Inoue?

 

How is this stupid or even remotely comparable to that? These are two active fighters both with the same # of fights and the same # of knockouts. It is a very relevant topic, what's stupid is the amount of posters who continue to bring up Canelo here, when the topic is about Inoue and Ryan Garcia.

 

Attempts to exaggerate, bring up Canelo, bring up Mayweather Batman Superman have nothing to do with this topic. This topic is about comparing Inoue and Ryan Garcia as fighters P4P. What are each fighter's strengths and weaknesses. What makes one better than the other. That's what this topic is about.

 

Go for it. And about Inoue vs Ryan Garcia? Who do you rate higher and why?

 

@kirk I'm interested in a comparison of their skills which is what P4P is supposed to be about. Also who has more flaws.

 

Like Lomachenko? He was only a prospect with a handful of fights and many proclaimed him as #1 P4P early on in his career. He even lost his first title fight for goodness sake. His second shot for the same title he won a close, majority decision. But what made Lomachenko a top P4P fighter early on wasn't his resume, was it? It was his outstanding footwork, his elusiveness, his fluid eye-catching movement, etc wasn't it?

So it seems to me that, over time, P4P has become more of a popularity contest than anything else. If it's about resume, than Canelo is the clear P4P #1. Yet look in the other topic about how Inoue was P4P #1. Yet we continue to see a lot of posters on here continuing to argue that Canelo isn't P4P #1. But if you say it's mainly about resume, if that's the case, than anyone arguing Inoue's P4P #1 like in that other topic should be immediately destroyed since his resume can't compare to Canelo and he only has a third the # of fights as Canelo. But that's not what happened, I got ganged up on for simply pointing out that Canelo is P4P #1 lol and saying how could you have Inoue P4P #1. With such a weak resume compared to Canelo, if that's the criteria than I should have been seen as overwhelmingly correct.

I use the example of Lomachenko because everything you're saying here could apply to him, yet he has been ranked near or at #1 P4P pretty much since he debuted! Loma looked great against Sosa and other B or C level fighters. Then how the hell did Loma become like P4P #1 or #2??

But I do agree with what you're saying to an extent, I don't disagree with it, but I would only go as far as saying that not anyone can look amazing against low level opposition. Only great fighters can look amazing vs any level of opponent. When Prince Naseem debuted he fought Ricky Beard. It didn't matter who he was fighting, you knew he was special. He flipped into the ring, the athleticism was otherworldly. RJJ was P4P #1 and his resume was good but not great. He fought a lot of medium to low level opposition when he was in his prime. Still didn't change that he was the P4P best, it was obvious. And he didn't become the P4P best by who he fought. It was by what he did in the ring, how fast he was, the highlight reel KOs, etc.

These are part of the equation but for me they aren't more important than the eye test. How good a fighter actually is regardless of competition, though tough competition is definitely important. As subjective and as hard as it is, that's what it's really about. I mean we're just on the heels of Mayweather saying how there's too many belts in boxing. So after that, we're still supposed to rank P4P based on how many belts you have or who they defeated?

I mean Canelo's wins over GGG were discredited because of GGG's age. Well the biggest name for Inoue was a guy Donaire who was even older than GGG was when he fought Canelo AND already had 5 losses! GGG was undefeated. But I don't see anyone saying Inoue's win over Donaire really wans't that great because of how old Donaire was. Now it's just he fought Donaire and Ryan Garcia hasn't fought anyone that big of a name, so that makes Inoue higher. But wait a minute, Canelo fought not just GGG twice but countless big names vs Inoue who fought pretty much nobody else but yet we got people arguing Inoue's P4P #1.

Alls I'm saying is that P4P is actually more than just a popularity contest or looking at someone's resume. It's simply their fighting prowess. Yes you use these other things like resume to get a sense of who's fought more competition, but P4P really should be about their skills. That's why Lomachenko has been ranked so high even as a prospect with only a couple of fights. If Prince Naz made that debut against Ricky Beard tomorrow he should be P4P #1 too because no one has anything close to that speed and athleticism.

 

Great post, the areas that you highlighted where Ryan Garcia is possibly better than Inoue is Defense and Timing. I say possibly because you're not ready to say that but you seemed to suggest that these are areas that Inoue is lacking in. I think the footwork is different, I think both have great footwork but it's a completely different kind of footwork so I don't think you can say one is better than the other. I agree Inoue's is very good maybe even better than prime GGG. Ryan Garcia's technique though for his style is very good too.

Inoue's a more explosive power puncher, but as others have pointed out, his technique does leave himself open to counters. Like how he leaves his chin sticking out when throwing hooks. Ryan Garcia is more fundamentally sound than Inoue, but Inoue is more explosive. It reminds me a little bit of comparing Roy Jones and Bernard Hopkins. RJJ was more explosive but also potentially more chinny. Hopkins was more textbook sound defensively but didn't have the super speed of RJJ. Ryan Garcia may not have as strong of a chin physically as Inoue, but his technique doesn't leave his chin sticking out like Inoue's does.

Ring IQ is another area that isn't clear. Both have great ring IQ's from what I've seen, but yes I do think Inoue has shown more of an ability to adjust. Ryan Garcia doesn't have to adjust as much though because his style isn't as risky. He doesn't have a seek-and-destroy style like Inoue, it's more safety first. But again great post this is exactly the kind of comparison I was looking for.

Oh and lets not forget : the Jab. Who has a better jab? Who is better at controlling range, a big part of Ring IQ and Timing.