P4P Emile Griffith or Oscar Del La Hoya?.

Overall Griffith is rated waaaaaaaaay higher than Quartey(and rightly so although HTH it would be a tight fight for both) however they were 2 totally different fighters Griffith was busier and better overall ring technician, but Ike had more Power and the better jab, both were real physically strong. You think quartey was robbedatsch Well it was closer than Whittaker/Oscar, and i had Quartey up by 1 point going into the last round but Oscar had a huge round 10-8 so he wins by 1. Hey you can even make a case for it being a 10-7 round.
Any ways one day Oscar will be rated higher than Griffith by most, in fact i wouldnt doubt that a survey of boxing writers might have him higher right now.

 

You know whats funny?


Your opinions will be lauged at in 25 or 30 years when Oscar will be recogniZed for the great fighter that he is.:yep


Do you know in 1976 Ali was rated 6 among atg heayweights


Get a clue young fans:roll:

 

Well, some people get old and wise others just get old. It seems you are one of the latter :good

 

Actually Bodhi im wise enough to know that your opinions will change someday. I have more of reason to be biased towards the old timers since im guessing that i got about 70% of you guys in the age department.

I see it how it is bro, ive been a historian of this game way before the internet even came around, and i hold many of the past time greats resumes in high regard, but i dont disregard the modern time fighters like many of you puppys do

In the last 30 years we have come across some extraordinary fighters who should make up at least a 3rd of the list but yet your opinons are of crusty old ****s that cant see that,when in reality most of you are wet behind the ears boxing fans that got your info from box rec and youtube:yep

Many of you wannabe(not alllof you:good) "Historians" have a hard time ranking fighters of the last 30 years in the top 50atsch Yes do not reply to me about how much competition there was back then and how many quality fighters there were back then. I know that!!!

Guys that are automatics for atgs in the last 30 years

Leonard Should be on everyones atg10list
Duran should be on everyones top 5 list
CHAVEZ you guys sound like ridiculous old farts putting certain ATGs over him . I have him 10 or 11, he should be on every ones top 20.
Jones
Holyfield
Sanchez
Hagler
Whittaker
Spinks
are the 30% that belong here. If you want to replace certain guys than you can put Holmes,Hearns,Odlh and a few other unretired guys on here. You know quit being old ****s, when i know you a lot of you guys started watching boxing 10 years ago. PUuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuulease!!!!!!


Get a clue Classic, just cause this is the classic forum doesnt mean you have to automacilly go for the older fighter:-(

 

Griffith easily.

 

Griffith wins a UD, different level of experience

 

Get a new Avi pendejoatsch

 

You get a new avatar, yours is gay as ****.

 

You dont have a clue mof:verysad


Why are you promoting a scapegoat:huh You cant pic on anyone in your neighborhood?

 

Well when you put it that way anarci....you're still wrong

Having Griffith over De la Hoya is hardly ridiculous nor means the person who does so is an old fart....it just means they arent of a certain heritage that blindly supports fighters who also belong to that certain heritage.

Im all ears for your reasoning why you have him so much higher anarci, any time you are ready.

 

Rankings are subjective. I don't see why it's such a big deal. No one has any obligation to put modern fighters nor old fighters in their top 20. Your rankings are no more right than the others' are.

Having Emile Griffith, an all-time great, over De La Hoya is hardly an insult to today's group of boxers. Griffith was just happened to be pretty good, that's all.

 

Check this out Mcgrain I respect your opinion on boxing as ive seen that you are one of the only ones that come close to me in knowledge of the sweet science.

Ive explained this a Ziiiiiiilion times here on why Oscar is a legit ATG, im not gonna type this **** again.

One thing thought ask any old knowledegeabe old timer(if you know any) if Emile was regarded as the elite fighter of his era?

You know what just look at freeeeekin Video!!!!! Without being an unbiased observer you cannot tell me that Emile would have beat Oscar at Welternono You know what and im not even talking about Oscar being a dominant force in the lower weights.

Dont bother listing Griffiths resume cause ive been very aware of it for at least 25 years:bart

 

It would be strange if I wouldn´t. I change my opinions on fighters on a daily basis.

Well, you know, I have collagues that are 10-15 years older than me, have more experience and I´m still better in their job than them. Age and experience mean **** if you can´t use it properly. You at times can´t. Proof is your list down there or your opinion on DLH here.
And puppys? Sorry, you don´t know how old I am. I´m younger than you but I ain´t no puppy :bart

I disagree. There were some fine fighters in tha last 30 years no doubt. But 24-48 hours weigh-ins, numeral belts, less fights, less proving themselves aginst the best, a drop of competition, manufactured careers and doping hurts their legacies.
That has nothing to do with prefering old timers. There are plenty of fighters out of the last 30 years I like. Even more than old-time fighters but I can´t rate them higher than I do.

I never did a Top50. I don´t go further than 10 tiers and these include 4 fighters out of the last 30 years with one beeing not included because he is still active.

Imo Tommy Hearns, Wilfred Benitez, Bernard Hopkins, Floyd Mayweather, Manny Pacquiao deserve a Top50 or even higher ranking. Others like DLH, Toney, and a few others are borderline.

Why do you assume people do so? Just because they disagree with you? Sorry but I don´t see it. To me it seem boxing was at his height between the 30s and 60s and then slowly quantity and quality drops. There are still exceptions to the rule though.


btw. I think I wrote it again in the pas, you thinking that others opinions are less worth than yours because they are younger is hilarious. You sound like a grumpy old man. Like Seamus.

 

Hey rock it dont have to do with heritage:nono I give on honest opinon or if its not in my guys favor i just wont give one see (Yaqui Lopez-Moorer)

Not a chance dude i think you guys overrate Zarate and Saldivar so dont come at me with that cultural bias ****.