P4P Floyd Mayweather All Time....

Based on styles, I'd always go with Mayweather over Arguello at any weight class. I'd favor Floyd over Chavez at 130 (60/40) and Nelson, to me, is the the guy who would give him the most trouble. I'd lean towards Floyd, but only slightly.

 

About 50. His resume after 135 is good, but not what makes greatness.

 

When I mentioned "head to head," I was referring to a specific weight class (130). Head to head on a P4P scale is much harder to determine, for me at least.

 

it has alot to do with it, no one knows what will happen if he faces the top WW's . . .the dude is probably ducking them for a reason. Let him stop ducking, get in the ring. . . we'll see what happens - then we can have this discussion.

 

His skill set may be complete, and he may be the best ever in his style. But if you take all fighters and make them the same size, there are fighters who can defeat him. But there are SOOO man fighters and making them all the same size complicates things tremendously. PBF's skills are not all that matter, you must also take into account his athletic attributes like speed, power, reflexes etc, his physical advantages, (height, reach, etc) then also styles he will face and the adaptation of his style against others. For instance, P4P Tommy Hearns beats him everytime out at the same size. His 2nd best weapon (His Jab) is better than Mayweathers best weapon (Straight right) and also happens to negate Mayweather's defensive ability.

It's not about underrating Mayweather BTW....there are just a ton of great great fighters.

 

Well, P4P matchups are a lot harder to determine, because you have to deal with physics. If Floyd was a Heavyweight he wouldn't be nearly as quick, simply because of his body mass, so you have to take things like that into account. Same thing with making someone like Lennox Lewis a LW, he'd be quicker and more agile at the weight.

In terms of his best weight class, as has been said, at 130, I wouldn't favor anyone over him. In P4P head to head terms, it's too hard to determine how his skills and style would differ at different weights, same with any fighter. You can't logically make someone as quick as Mayweather at 130 and inflate them to Heavyweight, it just wouldn't work like that, otherwise it wouldn't even be fair.

In terms of skill, he's one of the more skilled at the lower weights that I've seen, but at the higher weights he's faught at, not so much. I can many beating him at 147, and quite a few from 135-140 as well.

 

He was past his prime when he lost. At the age Floyd is now, Roy was regarded even higher than Floyd is now, by a good margin, because he didn't struggle with his opponents.

 

Mayweather is a tremendous fighter who may even be underrated because people simply don't like him. He would fair well against a great deal of ATG fighters.

 

It depends on what you mean by "struggled". He didn't look as good in hardly any of his wins as Jones did against even the best guys he fought. Mayweather is a safety first fighter, one who takes time to adapt to an opponent, and thus is capable of losing early rounds, or struggling early, as he has shown in most recent fights. Guys like Jones and Whitaker never did this.

 

I rate him top 40, I think most of the ATG pressure fighters from 135-147 eat him alive. I think that at Welterweight especially, I could come up with 20 guys that would beat him prime to prime.

At 130 he's a god, don't get me wrong, but he starts losing H2H from 135 on to most of his top class ATG contemporaries.

Jones on the other hand is a 168 god and a H2H god.