P4P Floyd Mayweather Jr Vs Sugar Ray Leonard

We were but YOU brought BHop into it smart guy or did I imagine that? Or do you just get off playing your smart### routine day in and day out like your somebody

 

Ya depends how you look at it I guess .. Ray Tommy was an evenly matched fight for me .. May is on a whole other level than Canelo, imo.. Canelo was drained down to 152 and hadn't fought there in 2 and half years .. But fair enough Bit can be argued equally either way

 

It does not seem to me that a fair and consistent criteria is being used in evaluating them.

Both had close, debatable controversial? Decisions. However SRL seems to be given the nod on his and Floyd is not.

SRL best Duran 2 x’s, Hearns, Hagler and Benitez. I agree that nothing on Floyd’s resume compares. However he also lost to Duran (can you imagine if Floyd lost to someone who moved up a weight class) drew/lost the 2nd outing with Hearns (which took way to long to happen) and a debatable to this day win over Hagler.

Floyd gets little credit for moving up and beating the bigger DLH (to be fair I had DLH winning 7-5), Canelo (he was green lol) Pac (happened to late), JMM/Hatton/Castillo all get written off.

SRL has the greater signature defining wins.

Floyd has the more solid and lasting run.

I don’t find much separating them

 

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So I was stretching it with Donnie, big deal. Lolz. Leonard's best wins still **** on Floyd's from a great height, end of. And he has several of them.

 

Hearns is the best win. Mayweather giving up 15-20 pounds to Canelo at age 36 and schooling him is a tier one win though.

 

IMO SRL's fight with Hearns showed more greatness than anything FMM ever did

As good as the fighters were that May beat he never fought anyone as good as Benitez, Hearns, Duran or Hagler....the fight with Duran showed SRL's grit near as much as the Hearns win and May never stood up to a fighter that good. There are some very good fighter on Mays resume and only at this point does Canelo or Cotto really measure up to any of these guys but IMO Canelo is the only one who may prove to be great Cotto already has but ATG nis debatable neither are quite Fab 4 proven yet. IMO Canelo may already be proven elevates May.

P4P Mayweather dominated consistently and was the better P4P fighter as he moved up. His ring IQ got better and better.

SRL was a warrior once in the ring and would hunt down his opponent...FMM got more cautious understandably.

Business acumen is even if not in favor of SRL....IMO today he would have surpasses May in money...he had the complete entertainment package and unlike May SRL was more exciting in the eyes of casual fans and he would had wrecked McCregor in under 6 rds LOL

 

I am not a fan of either guy (although I was an SRL fan as a tween), and find myself being a Floyd advocate even though I don’t like the role.

I just think the criteria needs to be consistent. The Pac fight is a valuable notch in Floyd’s resume that seems to get tarnished. People blame him largely ( while Pac gets a pass) for negotiations going awry.

SRL himself was a shrewd negotiator or his team was...is the outcome different if SRL does not negotiate favorable glove weight against Hagler? Or if he does not negotiate 12 rounds in place of 15? Or if he does not negotiate a 20 x 20 ring... is he still able to escape Hagler. A big difference is Hagler was willing to secede those things to make the fight happen.

 

It would be nice if the criteria is consistent.. But it never will be imo because people have different criteria on what is important, etc. You think the Pac win is a valuable notch, I don't and didn't even watch the fight, lol.. That fight was for 2010 when both guys were p4p #1 and #2 in the world back and forth for 5 years straight. For me, I do not think either guy should get a pass for that fight not happening. Their 2 big egos squashed it imo and that is that… I don't move Floyd to much down or at all if he lost that fight , nor do I change Pac's p4p ranking much if at all … but that's just me .. I personally would move Floyd up MUCH MUCH higher if he chose to be more active, take on more risk, and had a record of 65-1-1 or 65-2.. but again that's just me

 

I find this thread interesting and might rework a list sometime this year...although I am hearing that Mcgrain has one coming sometime? That would also interest me.

But for those who have an active list what is the disparity between the 2 in your placement? I can’t imagine it to be wide one way or another.

 

I was trolling a bit with Lalonde, sorry. Alvarez was green and half the fighter he is today at any rate, and he isn't a great fighter now. Plus there was the bollocks with the catchweight.

The state Duran was in for New Orleans? Yeah, he was a bit out of shape and complacent with dwindling motivation etc, but it's Duran we're talking about. Duran. Probably the best fighter I've ever seen if I'm honest and still highly formidable even in that condition and better than anyone Mayweather faced. I doubt Floyd would even get in the ring with a capable version of Duran, especially after getting his arse kicked for two thirds of their previous fight and having been visibly rattled both physically and mentally. Never mind completely turning the tables. Their third fight bears no relevance, it was a sad sight if anything.

Kalule was an excellent fighter at his best, very smooth and technically refined with good footwork and a strong slip/counter game with high offensive output. Better than his record ended up suggesting. His problem was that he was an aggressive fighter but without power and not exactly an iron chin. A nightmare for boxers and counterpunchers to deal with if they couldn't hurt him. He had some very good wins on his ledger, beating Kevin Finnegan easier than Hagler did in two tries, but killed himself trying to make 154 for too long when he was a natural middleweight. Palle said that he basically had to saw limbs off to get him to make the weight. Even weight drained and with slightly diminishing legs he put up a real fight against Ray and was just out-toughed and outgunned in end, though still very much in the fight. And I've long thought the stoppage was a bit premature. Leonard took a lot of punches throughout to land his own and had to dig deep. Kalule was reinvigorated briefly in fact once he left 154 despite being physically faded, and he gave Kalambay a great fight, through not quite doing enough to deserve the decision. Yes, I think he was a better fighter than Hatton, no disrespect to Ricky who an over-achiever imo.