P4P Greatest of all Time, top 5

mayweather is #1 p4p right now
That doesnt mean he is the greatest of all time
I think is what he is trying to say

 

For all time lists....

P4P- lean heavy towards talent and H2H, with resume and accomplshments being a smaller part (75/25) ratio. Since we are talking about who the best fighters are regardless of weight if they had fought all at the same weight.

ATG- H2H, Talent, Resume, and accomplishments. I lean towards the latter with this list in a 60/40 ratio.

I rank Hagler ahead of Jones on an ATG list, but not a P4P list as an example.

 

Too many losses in his prime? No, you're confused. While Armstrong's prime was shorter lived than others, his reign from about 1936 to 1940, and his three year streak at 61-0 I believe with 59 KO's, is unbelievable. You could argue at those peak years he was the best, more dominant than any of them.

He lost some in his earlier days and some in his later days, with some good wins as well, but in his peak years, he was phenomenal.

 

I think you could argue he was better than anyone but Robinson at his peak. 123-1-1 is more impressive to me than even 61-0. Just my opinion.

 

That's one way to do it, I personally don't distinguish, my P4P ATG lists are based on a combination of all factors.

-Resume/Accomplishments
-In Ring Performance/Dominance
-Head to Head Ability

In order of descension.

 

:good 128-1-2 if we're going a bit further. Then again Willie Pep was 134-1-1, which is better than either. I think a lot has to do with competition and how you dominated as well.

 

I was guessing, didn't even know I was that close lol...

Do you know Greb's peak record? His comp was crazy, perhaps better than all of them.

 

Who said he was?

 

That would be SRR, not Armstrong, that was being referred to.

 

His competition was in my opinion, the best of all time, his wins resume is deeper than them all. I have a list of his top competition. Some seem like lesser names, but I assure you, every guy I list was a top notch fighter and contender or titlist. And the top names (Tunney, Loughran, Walker, Gibbons, etc) are among the best top wins of the era, or any really. His losses are a bit more spread out then some of the other top names though, he was more consistent.

Delaney x3
Rosenbloom
Walker
Wilson x3
Tunney x2
Loughran x5
Slattery
Flowers
Moody
Downey
Bogash
Gibbons x3
Smith x7
Norfolk
Gunboat Smith x2
McTigue x2
Levinsky x6
M. Gibbons
Meehan x2
Houck x3
Miske x3
Bartfield x4
McGoorty
McCoy x2
Dillon x2
O’Dowd
Chip x2
Crouse
Brennan x3
Clark
Blackburn

 

1. Calzaghe
2. Robinson
3. Marciano
4. Louis
5. Ali

 

Why does this forum attract people like you?

 

This is why I lobby to seperate era when we do all time lists. I knew alot of those names, but not all. Greb is often overlooked for greatest MW of all time, much less overall. Anyways, he has more top notch wins than fighters in this era have fights. It's not possible to do this anymore....