P4p Head to head, top 10 boxers ever?

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  1. DanishPride

    DanishPride Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Well then you should watch more boxing
     
  2. tennis

    tennis Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Paul Williams at 147 p4p against anyone, yep
    Roy jones, yep
    George foreman h2h kills almost everyone
    I'll choose Leonard over Duran for head to head for the simple reason that Duran is too small at 147 and a bunch of taller boxers will cause too many problems- Leonard at 147 gives anyone a fight
     
  3. tennis

    tennis Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He's a poor mans whitaker with a big mouth
     
  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Maybe IB watches more boxing than me...probably one or two other guys on here who don't talk about it that much. But i'll be top .1% for consumption overall, probably. In the world. I'm duty bound to watch almost every fight with every ranked contender and I'm a classic boxing addict besides.

    It's more likely that I have a different opinion to you, and you don't like it.
     
  5. DanishPride

    DanishPride Well-Known Member Full Member

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    No its most likely you are complet re****ed. But that´s ok. Mayweather tends to attrack African American teens with very little education. They like rap, bling and loud talkers. I guess in a couple of year you will claim the same about Broner.
     
  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Right, well i'm none of those things, but **** you you racist, ignorant piece of ****.
     
  7. KillSomething

    KillSomething Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    To be honest while all this is true and you do know your stuff, your Mayweather opinion is shocking.

    One does not simply get outboxed by Castillo and an old ODLH and damn near the same to Maidana and get called one of the most brilliant boxers you've seen. Unless you're talking like one of the 50-100 most brilliant or something like that.

    Sure, everyone has a bad day here and there but his career is a relatively small sample size and the amount of top-level opponents he's faced makes it even smaller.

    Gonzalez is a particularly :huh-worthy entry, too.
     
  8. Boxing Prospect

    Boxing Prospect Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That's actually one of the funniest and most misguided rants I've read on here. Good work.
     
  9. Cafe

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    Roy Jones Jr
    Floyd Mayweather (SFW)
    Sugar Ray Robinson
    Wilfredo Gomez (SBW)
    Sugar Ray Leonard
    Lennox Lewis
    Salvador Sanchez
    Marvin Hagler
    Pernell Whitaker
    Roberto Duran
     
  10. Benitom3

    Benitom3 Boxing Junkie banned

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    Gonzalez? The guy who ducked Raymi?
     
  11. KillSomething

    KillSomething Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Predictably high occurrence of Roy Jones in here :lol:

    I just wonder how we can put a guy into a top 10 p4p/h2h list when he has a notorious glass jaw and no record of protecting it against top opponents. I could see a guy like Ward being mentioned or a ton of other guys who are known to have been dropped/stopped/put on giraffe legs a few times, but only if they fought a high level of opposition without that happening. We've all seen Mayweather hurt but that was what, once or twice in a long career of facing champion-caliber opponents? Roy faced Toney ffs. That's great but it was one fight. I would not feel comfortable putting him up against literally every other boxer who ever lived...he's absolutely bound to get stopped more than a few times.

    Guys with weak chins and no real defensive skills who relied on athleticism and soft matchmaking aren't going to cut it in this discussion. You need a guy who's going to stand up to the punches he's bound to take when fighting other great fighters, or defensive skills so amazing that he won't take the punches in the first place. That's why guys like Hearns can't make the list, and if it applies to Hearns it applies to Jones (who would have been KO'd more times than Hearns had he faced anywhere near the challenges).
     
  12. bluzi

    bluzi Active Member Full Member

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    You sound like a 13 year old using his father computer , wtf is this reply ? you make yourself look like a real idiot , but i guess you dont care cuz your too cool for school , 13 after all...
     
  13. rayrobinson

    rayrobinson Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Top 10 is just too much for any fighter today , Floyd can talk about his flawless career where he fights twice a year and Manny can do his thing and move up through the weights , but fighters back in the the 50's , 60's and 70's fought 6 times a year and almost fought a round robin of the absolute best , so for me there is no one today who gets anywhere near.

    The closest I have seen would be Roy Jones at 168, however his roid abuse will always question how quick , strong and stamina based his talents really were.
     
  14. McGrain

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    Mayweather is unquestionably among the two or three very best fighters since Roy Jones moved down from heavyweight. I'd say he's pretty much definitely better than Bernard Hopkins for example. I'd also say Hopkins is not out with the four or five best middleweights we've seen head to head on film (something like Monzon, Hagler, Robinson, Hopkins, though he represents a departure from those three for me, and has the likes of Tiger and anomaly Jones [obviously] are breathing down his neck).

    That, alone puts him in this argument. If you don't agree with me - no problem. As I said at the time it's a bit of fun. There is no "top ten boxers ever" p4p h2h. There are literally fifty boxers in this argument, possibly more, and only one or two locks. But if you think Mayweather being in that argument is ridiculous ("shocking"), I think you are way off. Casting Mayweather (Or Pacquiao) out of this discussion is not acceptable or reasonable. Since 2003, or for better than a tenth of the time that there has been enough film of fighters to make judgements like this, they are right up there.

    Why? Joe Louis struggled desperately with Arturo Godoy (very, very close on surviving film), Billy Conn (small light-heavy) and got KTFO by Max Schmeling. But you wouldn't have picked his name up from a list (he could very reasonably be on it IMO). Fighters with long careers struggle all the time with lesser lights. Certainly Godoy is not as good as Castillo or Oscar, clearly.

    Furthermore I had Mayweather beating Castillo narrowly, and beating Oscar clearly.

    You think you can name fifty boxers on film that look clearly better than Mayweather?? Jesus. I don't even want to ask if you're serious about the "-100" part.


    Best fighter ever below flyweight for me (yes, including Ricardo Lopez who i think he would beat) and among the very best flyweights ever. The very definition of "h2h p4p". Possibly the best ever in his range. I can't see what's :huh-worthy about that at all.

    But he could inarguably be left out for about thirty other guys. As I said at the time, no such thing, just a bit of fun.
     
  15. McGrain

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    A couple of people have mentioned Charles here. I can respect that pick. But I'm not sure he would make my twenty. I think he is one of the best fighters ever (the guy who BOSSED Moore and Burley - could be the best ever?) but on film? We've got some minutes of his LHW contest with Marshall in that bizarre tiny ring but no other footage exists of him in his prime. The footage of him at heavyweight, post Baroudi is underwheling. Charles became a careful technician to protect himself form bigger men and further tragedy. Does he look better, clearly better than Hopkins on film? I would argue that he does not.

    The statement, "Floyd Mayweather\Manny Pacquiao\Roman Gonzalez looks better on film than Ezzard Charles" is very reasonable to me - in fact, I would argue that it is correct.

    But Charles is by great distance the greater fighter and, yes, if you were "supposing" head to head based upon his record you could make an argument for his being not just the top ten but the top one.

    Then again, you can suppose a lot of things.