p4p-pacquiou and calzage

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by jatt1, May 27, 2009.


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  1. jatt1

    jatt1 New Member Full Member

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    you are right it didnt start in the 90s i never said it did all im saying is im trying to be real with my boxing knowledge i.e only able to comment on fighters that iv seen myself-either live in the stadiums or at very least on tv!
     
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  2. jatt1

    jatt1 New Member Full Member

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    again its another band wagon fan-y would Ali HAVE to be on any list?

    he aint even the best heavy weight and thats a FACT!
     
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  3. kosaros

    kosaros Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I disagree (although it is debatable).

    Calzaghe is not the greatest fighter from the UK in the last 20 years, FACT.
     
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  4. monjay

    monjay Active Member Full Member

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    and your boxing knowledge is calzaghe at no. 10 atg:lol:

    boi, why dont you just make a poll and and im pretty sure you will be enlighten.

    trust me:good
     
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  5. lolb

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    Calzaghe 85-100
    Pacman top 30
     
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  6. jatt1

    jatt1 New Member Full Member

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    calzaghe is 1 of MY favourites I already know no 1 else rates him but iv havent had a single person come back to me to say why they dont rate him?

    putting him in the top ten is just as stupid as putting him at 120-150!!!

    if we had a poll im sure he would be closer to top 30 as i originally stated then top 150!
     
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  7. jatt1

    jatt1 New Member Full Member

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    and sorry im not as quick as some of you at cutting and pasting from web pages-
    I actually try and remember my facts and my opinions are actually my own rather then band wagon jumpers who rely on newspaper cuttings and web pastings!l:p
     
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  8. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Fact?:lol::rofl
     
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  9. monjay

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    then make a poll.
     
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  10. kukoy

    kukoy Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Can you list me the top 150 in your estimation. :think

    Just joking buddy :D, it's your opinion...
     
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  11. Gaikokujin

    Gaikokujin 外国人 Full Member

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  12. Brit Sillynanny

    Brit Sillynanny Cold Hard Truth Full Member

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    It would be quicker if you just look at your own list and find Sven Ottke's name and Mikkel Kessler's. Joe's comes before theirs. My list takes into account and assesses a fighter's actual abilities based upon watching them fight. It "smooths" for hype, careful matchmaking, and relative or comparative abilities - if I didn't correct for these things it would be possible to end up with, at the extreme, Tye Field type fighters being considered and Ottke/Calzaghe being rated too highly. Ottke's and JC's record indicate perfection and dominance. But that was hardly the case in their era and definitely not from a historical perspective. If their "perfect" records were so amazing, unattainable, and prestigious then other fighters from 154, 160, & 175 would have found their way to compete for their accolades or laurels (envy and pride can be very effective motivators). The truth is no one gave a **** about 168 and even less about a Sven Ottke or a Joe Calzaghe. Sven was okay. Joe was pretty good. Neither was elite. Both have records that reek of favorable conditions, predisposed refs & judges, and suspect accomplishment. Why some argue against the obvious (as it is easy to watch them on tape struggle with dozens of average fighters/talents - if the reviewer were too young to have watched these fights when they occurred) is surprising but not at all in the "demographical" sense. Ever seen fewer legit and impressive KOs/TKOs in a supposed elite's career before? Surely there must be others over such a long history of the sport of boxing but clearly theirs deserve adequate consideration and/or notation.

    :good:D
     
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