I don't like poking holes in peoples lists.... and i realise its almost impossible to make a list that pleases everyone. But i do have a few questions if anyone is bored and cares to answer. - What has Bradley or Alexander done to really be rated so much higher then Haye or Adamek? I almost never see Haye or Adamek in the top 10, but routinely see Bradley and Alexander. Adamek has fought succesfully at 175, cruiserweight, and now is campaigning well as a heavyweight.... having only lost to another fellow p4p in his last fight at the weight. Hes beaten Briggsx2, Arreola, Cunningham, among others. Haye ruled cruiser and has secured a belt at heavy, while granted, his opposition isn't that great, i still have him at this point above bradley p4p, also, id like to add that i would also have Wlad above Bradley and Alexander p4p, hes pretty much ruling his division, and hardly loses a round these days even to top 10 rated contenders. I don't see what bradley/alexander has done to propel them past wlad...... Wlad Haye Adamek are three guys that i think get EXTREMELY under represented in these lists... ------------------- and just a brief note kinda unrelated to my question, HOPKINS MOSLEY are two guys i think get extremely OVERrated in these lists. Not that they aren't great fighters with great legacies, but currently, i wouldn't even HAVE hopkins in the top 10 (has fought 2 times in 2 years, wasn't impressive or p4p material in either one, how anyone can really have him as a p4p top 10 at this point is beyond me, hes a great fighter, but not currently a p4p fighter, that could change should he beat someone relevant again soon) mosley lower top 10 is debatable, I'm not sold that mosley has really looked like a top p4p type fighter, coupled with his activity, coupled with him being 2-2 in his last four, I'm not complaining if someone doesn't list him in the top 10. Yes he was great against Margarito, but that was sandwiched in between a whitewash against Mayweather, and getting almost as much as he could handle against a past it mayorga. I don't know, I'm just saying, activity and form has got to come into play at some point and I'm not sure a margarito win is enough to keep mosley any higher then 7 at this point imo. Your thoughts?
Thanks Philla, if you dont mind why do you think Alexander would be interchangeable with Adamek? What has Alexander done to supass adamek at this point in your opinion? Cunningham Dawson Bell Briggs Arreola 3 weightclasses, 42 fights and only 1 loss (to another p4p fighter), starting to challenge the upper tier of the heavyweight division, while the heavyweights may appear underwelming to some, he still started at 175 and heavyweight is still heavyweight. this is just my opinion, but i am curious as to what the case would be as to why alexander would be rated higher... especially since he just barely scored his 20th fight of his career Not trying to nit pick im just honestly curious :good *Id say Bradley too for that matter...
Adamek is horrendously underrated imo. His win over Cunningham is better than anything on Bradley or Alexander's resume. Haye is also underrated due to his loud mouth. People often forget that he's become a two weight world champion in 24 fights. That's a fantastic accomplishment whichever way you choose to look at it. However, I don't have him in my top ten due to his long spells of inactivity between fights. Unless you're operating at the level of Mayweather/Pacquiao, you shouldn't be considered a top ten fighter from fighting once or twice a year.
Adamek has good skills, a great chin and amazing power... at LHW Now he has outgrown LHW and he is at HW where guys can crack his chin if they land and his power is not as devastating. So he has to rely on his skills. Against a guy like Arreola, who is probably not even a top100 p4p fighter in the world, he can hang on to a close UD (8-4 on my card but a very close fight) But what will he do against a heavyweight who has p4p ability? I think he will lose. Alexander at 140, though he doesn't have the lenghty resume of Adamek because he is still young, I would say is about on par with Adamek in terms of p4p ability.
Adamek is P4P top 10 on many lists already, though for some reason on ESB you see him in the top 15 more often. Haye is behind Adamek in terms of P4P resume, though head-to-head I have Haye the favourite to win that fight. Bradley is in the mix as well and justly gets a fair amount of hype. I think Alexander is the least accomplished of the group.
Arreola was the #6 contender according to Ring Magazine, actually. But don't let facts get in your way, carry on. :good
Fair enough on Haye :good I can agree to that. It slipped my mind a bit how inactive haye has actually been, hes talked about so much that i forget hes only fought once last year and once this year.... fair enough on him not being higher. So Haye is solved... Adamek on the other hand, if i were doing a p4p list, i would have higher, i dont think Bradley, Alexander, or Hopkins for that matter, rank above him right now. just IMO
But isnt that one of the points of being p4p? that you can go up divisions and lbs and still stay competitive. Adamek is competing over 25lbs north of 175, that would be like Alexander competing at middleweight... (i realise the dynamics are different but im just saying) Of course Adamek isn't going to be an elite heavyweight (although if he continues to improve at heavy, there's no telling) but the very fact hes beating top ranked heavyweights is a testament, not a detriment, to his p4p ranking. I just dont think theres a lot of merit, if one is avaluating p4p stance as a whole (meaning not just form and ability, which i agree alexander so far looks to be on adameks level if not above it, but also accomplishments, resume, ect) so when judging it all together, i cant justify bradley being higher then adamek. If form was the sole requirement then Gamboa fans could simply say well he 'looks' to be top p4p material so I'm going to rank him at number 4 or whatnot, which is why i think its important to weigh resume, accomplishments, activity, and various other factors that all make a solid base in which to put that fighter on. Bradley having 2 good wins and looking very polished so far simply isn't enough in my mind to have him ranked above Adamek right now, and i would add bradley to that as well. just imo
I view p4p as "how good are you currently relative to your current best weight" a fighter having success moving up in weight only improves his p4p status in my eyes if he can still make the lower weight. If he moves up in weight because his body has outgrown a division, then its different. Adamek competing at HW is not the same as Alexander competing at MW because Alexander can still make 140, while Adamek would be sent to the hospital if he tried to make 175
Ok i can understand that i suppose, and it makes sense,:think i will keep that in mind when assessing p4p lists, thanks.... I would still mainting then, that cruiser is adameks best weight (hes only at heavy for the reward it brings) and that while there he was just as much the man as alexander is, but attaining better victories against cunninham then devon has against urango/witter. Perhaps im splitting hairs.... My rankings would look as follows 1 - Wlad 2 - Adamek 3 - Bradley 4 - Haye 5 - Alexander but you at least gave me some good insight as to the why's of certain lists... i appreciate it. :good
Right on with Adamek. There has got to be some consideration for the amount of weight that is being navigated... come on...
