P4P rankings are dumb

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by MoneyMay1, Aug 14, 2021.


  1. MoneyMay1

    MoneyMay1 Member Full Member

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    https://www.ringtv.com/ratings/?weightclass=251

    I don't get Ring's P4P system at all. The logic behind it is dumb. First off, why is Usyk ranked the #4 P4P fighter but Anthony Joshua is not on the list. They are fighting each other and Joshua is listed as a massive favorite over Usyk. Both Joshua and Usyk are in the same division. By that logic, Joshua and Usyk weigh the same right now and Joshua is better than Usyk, that means he should ranked higher P4P.
     
  2. Conteh'sLeft

    Conteh'sLeft Active Member Full Member

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    Usyk's resume is a level above Joshua in terms of live bodies who can fight back with a plan plus he's a cruiser who relies more on his movement and skills to outclass the other guy, his spot is well deserved.

    Joshua on other hand is a big, stiff lad at heavy with all the physical advantages, a 6'6" heavy shouldn't even be on a P4P list which is made to highlight smaller men's accomplishments over different weight divisions.
     
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  3. MoneyMay1

    MoneyMay1 Member Full Member

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    Joshua and Usyk are the same weight. If Joshua is a massive favorite over him, it stands to reason that he should be ranked higher in the P4P ranking.
     
  4. Stiff Jab

    Stiff Jab Despiser of Super-Middleweights Full Member

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    Pound-for-pound lists are deeply rooted in "Could Captain America beat up Batman" mentality so yeah they're dumb. But they are fun dumb, so that's why we do it. As to your original question, Usyk did more than Joshua has in a better division than heavyweight and has now moved up to heavyweight to challenge for a title. More resume accomplishments + more weight-classes = higher ranking. It's...it's not hard.
     
  5. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes they are fkn dumb.. Canelo is not worthy of p4p 10 lmao

    Cherrypicking manufactured fraud.. Gets beat by aged 35/36 year olds then beats f all ay 168 and act like he's some god..
     
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  7. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    There's all kinds of flaws with the concept...

    Where do you put weight bullies, for example?

    Someone who cuts for the weigh-in and then balloons up for fight night is going to be a lot bigger than the lbs they're being rated for...
    Is someone who cuts harder to fight a couple of divisions below their fightnight weight a better P4P fighter or just a more extreme case?

    Then of course heavyweight doesn't fit the model at all, for two reasons... Firstly because nobody cuts weight at heavy and secondly because it's the only group of fighters that would mean squat if we didn't have weight categories to make it possible for smaller guys to fight against people they could actually beat (a bit like the whole reason for having women's categories in sports - in very few sports can the fairer sex get close to equal performance so we have to have a limited entry group to make it more inclusive).
     
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  8. MoneyMay1

    MoneyMay1 Member Full Member

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    If Usyk is so good, why doesn't anyone think he can beat Joshua?
     
  9. ForemanJab

    ForemanJab Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It was made to make small guys feel special.
     
  10. FastSmith7

    FastSmith7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If purely based on boxing skill.
    1. Lomachenko






















    2. Usyk
    3. Crawford
    4. Golovkin
    5. Inoue
    6. Estrada
    7. Taylor
    8. Briedis
    9. Canelo
    10. GRJ

    I don't give a **** if Loma loses 10 more times, he's the best boxer I've ever seen.
     
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  11. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    I'll explain it to you.

    Usyk is giving up a handicap to fight AJ at HW. According to the Ring, Usyk could fight at cruiser and dominate down there.

    If Giannis decides to play Curry in a 3 point contest, Curry will be the favorite, but that doesn't make him a better ball player than Giannis.

    So even though AJ is the favorite, he has a size advantage. The field is not level.
     
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  12. Stiff Jab

    Stiff Jab Despiser of Super-Middleweights Full Member

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    I don't know why, given how he's going to beat the absolute **** out of Joshua.
     
  13. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If Loma looses 10 more times then he's not the best boxer you've ever seen. Loosing against a kid named Lopez and getting dropped and struggling against Linares doesn't look good. angles, handspeed and infighting look flashy but it's whats affective at elite level that counts. Loma is ATG skilled obviously but guys like Duran, Mosley, Whitaker, Del Boy and Chavez would probably beat him even though Loma "looks" like a fighter from another world.

    However it needs to be taken into account that 135 isn't his natural weight class so pfp he is a monster
     
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  14. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member Full Member

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    Princess, youre obsessed.
     
  15. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member Full Member

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    Canelo is the best skilled boxer in the game. High Boxing IQ, superb counter punching skills, great chin, great combination puncher, great defensive skills, great body puncher, when you add it all together, that ='s P4P #1!!!!!