p4p Sweet Pea vs Pretty Boy @135

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by aj415, Aug 19, 2008.


  1. Alo2006

    Alo2006 R.I.P Sean Taylor Full Member

    10,021
    1,414
    Jun 28, 2006
    So we are basing this on Castillo first fight. What the hell does that got to do with him matching up to Pea? Mayweather had good power at 135 as well. Hand problems come into play, so pot shots were used. Checkout his KO % before his hand injuries.
     
  2. TFFP

    TFFP Guest

    Nobody can say Mayweather has a better defence than Whitaker. He might not get hit much to the head or body with clean shots, but he still takes those shots on arms/gloves/elbows a lot of the time. They are still landing on some part of his body and can give the appearence of him being outworked at times.

    Whitaker's reflexes and movement were superb, he didn't have to take anything.
     
  3. ripcity

    ripcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    20,449
    51
    Dec 5, 2006
    Whitaker beats Mayweather at any weight that they both fought at (Whitaker's lowest weight was 135). He has a better offensive work-rate, and is a better defensive boxer. I think Mayweather would be compitive at 135 but I think Whitaker would win 8-4.
     
  4. aj415

    aj415 Boxing Addict Full Member

    4,606
    6
    Aug 15, 2006
    No, I think Pea did better. I am only talking about the amount of punches that landed to the head.

    Why would you count punches that land on the arms/gloves/elbows as scoring???
     
  5. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

    27,199
    93
    Dec 26, 2007
    I'm aware the Castillo II fight was at LW, considering that's where Castillo fought. Corrales was also very weight-drained in the Mayweather fight, not that it'd have mattered either way.
     
  6. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

    27,199
    93
    Dec 26, 2007
    It has nothing to do with a matchup with Pea, I'm simply giving you their comparisons against similar opposition and how far superior Pea was in those showings.

    Stylistically I've given you the reasons Pea wins, many times, over and over. If you failed to see them that's your problem.

    As for pot-shots, the hand is a somewhat viable excuse in the first fight, not the second. He fought toe-to-toe with guys like Corley and N'Dou in subsequent matches so I don't see how his hands played a part really. His lack of power and pot-shotting came into effect at higher weights because he was fighting bigger, stronger fighters, not because of his hand problems. Aside from a fight or two those are not useful excuses at 130-135.
     
  7. TFFP

    TFFP Guest

    I don't personally, but I'm not the judge. It has been the case ineffective work has been scored against Mayweather, simply because he does actually get hit, which was not often the case with Whitaker.

    Overall, in no way can taking shots on arms and gloves be considered superior to rarely taking any. They have some effect.
     
  8. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

    27,199
    93
    Dec 26, 2007
    Chavez wasn't landing very cleanly at all throughout the fight, I don't know what you were watching. Castillo certainly roughed Floyd up a lot more. Hell, watch Floyd's fight with Emmanuel Augustus where he's bleeding from both nostrils due to shots taken. A dominant performance from Floyd, but let's not overrate his defense.
     
  9. Alo2006

    Alo2006 R.I.P Sean Taylor Full Member

    10,021
    1,414
    Jun 28, 2006
    I can respect your opinions :good We all have them :yep
     
  10. aj415

    aj415 Boxing Addict Full Member

    4,606
    6
    Aug 15, 2006
    Neither Castillo nor Chavez landed on MJr or Pea with consistency. But Castillo controlled the tempo more and FMJr did not counterpunch / get off first nearly as often and accurately as Pea did. But between the two matchups Pea took more punches that landed flush, that has to do with defense..

    Augustus did his best impression of Margarito in the ass whooping that was that fight. He is just a tough SOB who was willing to take whatever FMJr threw at him on his chin to land his own blows... he didn't land many punches ..
     
  11. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

    12,028
    106
    Jun 30, 2008
    Pea's advantages: Jab, workrate, in-fighting, southpaw stance, bodypunching, footwork (at 135 it's superior, but he became much more flat-footed above this weight).

    PBF's advantages: A little quicker, probably hits a little harder.

    Pea's got the overall superior defense as well.

    Too many advantages in favor of Whitaker, plus he has the edge in this stylistic match-up.

    Whatever the judges score it, the fight will be 8-4 probably, although 9-3 is a good possibility. That's not saying anything negative about Floyd, but while the rounds would be close, nearly all of them would be clearly for Whitaker.
     
  12. El Borracho

    El Borracho Boxing Addict Full Member

    5,053
    0
    Jun 22, 2008
  13. sdsfinest22

    sdsfinest22 Pound 4 Pound Full Member

    37,732
    1
    Apr 19, 2007
    Mayweather beats sweet pea in a close decision
     
  14. heehoo

    heehoo TIMEXICAH! Full Member

    3,763
    13
    Feb 16, 2008
    Whitaker, his movement would be too much for anyone, even Pretty Boy.
     
  15. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

    27,199
    93
    Dec 26, 2007
    Are you related to him or something? That's all you contribute to this board.

    In case you were unaware, Pea was shot to ****, had been on a two year hiatus, was fighting at 154 out of shape, and was easily winning the fight prior to BREAKING HIS CLAVICLE. Borjourquez did nothing in that fight except take advantage of someone with literally one arm to fight with. Even then he was missing more often than not and the fight was stopped because they wouldn't allow Whitaker to continue with that injury.

    But my question stands: Are you related to Borjourquez or do you know him personally? I can't understand this obsession otherwise.