P4P Top 10 Official Survey (Poll Closes October 27)

He is overrated because of the hype. And that is confirmed everywhere you look. Do you deny that? I dare you too.

 

You sound like the Morning Star. You sound like Lucifer, Stonehands, you've lost it! You're talking about war on a boxing God. **** that, i've seen what happens to the proud when they try to take on the throne...

How many great fighters fought and defeated 3 prime, possible top 10 ATG fighters of one division? How many fighters have defeated an ATG at all, let alone a prime one??? He's beat 5 definate ATG fighters. He's beat a murdeous punching ATG, whilst passed his prime himself. He dominated. His skill set and physical attributes are clear to see, theres no myths and legends he needs to hide behind. How can

If you're a well schooled, objective person, the only reason i see why you would attack him is to spite the casual person that know his name to be the greatest, but would not really be seen or heard discussing boxing on a serious level, so are irrelevant.

Or if you don't give the Heavyweights their due on P4P lists. The Heavyweight division is half a dozen standard weight classes in itself. And the lighter HW's are big enough to take out bigger HW's and be at a weight advantage if their style suits it. And the giants are really giants. Its such an unpredictable and unforgiving division, anyone can knock you out. It really is a feat to fight so many great fighters and massive punchers, yet never once be stopped in that division.

In my opinion if Ali isn't in your top 5, then you're just trying to be a smartass. And anyone thinking of typing a lengthy response to this filled with obscure knowledge, hyperbole, exaggerations and cleverly constructed misleading tangents, you'll only convince a dumbass. Don't try it on me i know of your agenda!:nono

 

I can't split the two on film Teeto. Great great comparison. And Ali has the depth that's incomparable at HW. That only adds to it... so if Pep is technically better and craftier on film, Ali has his advantages.

 

Ali is less durable than Duran?

Ok though, your list is basically H2H and each to his own and fair enough.

 

Being a contrarian doesn't add credibility. It didn't in high school, and it still shouldn't now.

 

He proved his worth over and over again. Hype aside. He's underrated by 'elitists' if anything, in an attempt to go against the grain.

 

That threw me off too.

 

Madness?

I think that you are way off here, and it may be because many students of boxing history are not familiar with his resume and who's on it. Are you aware of how many ranked fighters Pep defeated? Are you aware of his record at his peak?

Ali-Foreman vs. Pep-Saddler II? I'll take the latter, easily. You?

 

I'm aware fully on both men's careers, i'm not ignorant and underrating any of the contenders either man beat. Ali has a better resume. Say what you want about one win being better. Muhammad Ali was the best heavyweight of TWO great eras. But anyway, i'm only getting into that because you are. Ali's resume is better, straight up.

 

If there is any difference in class between Ali, Pep and Duran, there certainly isn't much to it.

Pep did fight a ridiculous amount of contenders and he did go 62-0 and 134-1 at his peak. I say he can be rated above nearly everybody. Can be, he doesn't have to be.

 

10 Muhammad Ali
9 Charley Burley
8 Sammy Langford
7 Archie Moore
6 Jimmy Wilde
5 Willie Pep
4 Sandy Sadler
3 Roberto Duran
2 Henry Armstrong
1 Ray Robinson

 

Basically it's a sin to be passionate about a popular fighter. How dare I buy into the glitz and hype. Such a sheep I am.

 

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(I've lost it, he sez)

"Anyone who doesn't have Ali in their top 5 must be a smartass"? Hurling juvenile invectives does not strengthen your position, so get serious or get out of the way and the big boys go at it.

And yes, I do not believe that the HWs are the most skilled or even the most dangerous division. In fact, I'm utterly convinced. Big guys are usually easier to handle for several reasons and I don't know this just be screwing around on the internet or reading books.

 

The post was not about being a contrarian.

It was about objectively considering the actual, instead of the assumed, greatness of the biggest cultural icon since Elvis.