P4P Top 10 Official Survey (Poll Closes October 27)

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  1. DonBoxer

    DonBoxer The Lion! Full Member

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    Benny Leonard was 36 and looked dead after the first round.
    He won an SD to Ross but also lost one whilst both times out weighing him. When he won he had 6lbs on Ross.
    The other wins fair enough i guess.
     
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  2. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    But he hadn't been defeated for 10 years. Do anyone know if anything have been said of Leonard's condition at the time?

    But the fact still remains that he started at a far lower weight. Toney probably outweighed some of the HWs he met, doesn't make HW his best weight class.
     
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  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I have the following reservations about McClarnin that high.

    1) Leonard was busted when they fought.

    2) He was generally the bigger man for his biggest wins.

    3) There are one or two concerning losses in there, including his first title-tilt. He more than made up for it with his destruction of Corbett though.
     
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  4. mckay_89

    mckay_89 Haw you! Full Member

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    1. Ray Robinson
    2. Henry Armstrong
    3. Harry Greb
    4. Sam Langford
    5. Ezzard Charles
    6. Muhammad Ali
    7. Willie Pep
    8. Roberto Duran
    9. Benny Leonard
    10. Ray Leonard
     
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  5. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    McLarnin has an amazing record but I think there is also enough evidence on it to prove he aint a GOAT and is one of those second tier greats. If you wanted to include someone from his era, IMO Barney Ross is more than qualified to be in a P4P top ten.
     
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  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Agree on Ross.
     
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  7. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    What evidence?
     
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  8. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Disagree with the rest of my statement?

    I really do feel Ross is top ten worthy and by that Armstrong has a very valid case to be the GOAT, as he has a near shut out domination win over another top 10 great, can Greb, Fitz, Langford or Robinson boast that?
     
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  9. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Nope. I posted the same thing about two posts back!
     
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  10. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    The occasional loss to B class opposition, loss to Mandell (although this can be excused IMO), loss to Petrolle, losing the series to Pep and losing the most important fight against Canzoneri.

    I think Ross and Canzoneri demonstrated they were superior to him.
     
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  11. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Canzoneri would just outrank McLarnin for me. The fact that he managed to split their fights whilst in the twilight of his career against that caliber of opponent (especially with the size disadvantage) proves his class.
     
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  12. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This is what McLarnin said about it:
    “Benny Leonard was in great shape” said Mclarnin later. “He hit me in the first round and I saw stars, but he had lost all his speed. I knocked him out.”

    Clearly Leonard was way past his best, but he still hadn't been defeated for a long time. For a former flyweight it still seems an impressive win for me.
     
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  13. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Canzoneri got badly ****ed up against McClarnin the first time, one of those FOTC situations where the winner lost more than the loser IMO.
     
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  14. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What does that have to do with anything?
     
    El Bujia, Oct 18, 2010
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  15. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Agreed. That fight was really his last hurrah.
     
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