P4P Top 10 Official Survey (Poll Closes October 27)

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Nah, Leonard was done man. His re-run was carefully managed...he was basically brought back for the gate against McLarnin, "The Jew Killer". Even the McLarnin biographers are clear that Leonard was basically done.
     
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  2. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    McLarnin was never lighter than 135-140 pounds past 20 years of age.
     
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  3. McGrain

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    :lol: you hate that


    I used to know how many stitches Canzo ended up with in his face, but i've forgotten...it was a lot. Useless post really...
     
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  4. McGrain

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    Like Pac, he benifits from that teenage status. I give credit for achievments at the weight, but I wouldn't really see any achievments at a higher weight in the light of that teenage weight.
     
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  5. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I rank McLarnin the lowest out of the trinity.
     
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  6. Bokaj

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    Yeah, perhaps. I was under the impression he was champ at lower weights, but he wasn't. He did defeat flyweight champion Pancho Villa in a non-title fight, though.
     
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  7. Bokaj

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    True. The question then is how good his wins at lighter weights are. The one against Villa?
     
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  8. McGrain

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    It's actually another example of some of the...I nearly said "fakery", but that's not quite right, but quesiton marks, maybe, around McLarnin's status. Poor Villa was very ill with an abcess on his tooth the night of that fight. Can you imagine? He died of blood poisoning born of the tooth only days later. Terrible loss.
     
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  9. El Bujia

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    He was also considerably larger and facing a sickened Villa just two days prior to his early demise.
     
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  10. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Fair enough. So McLarnin's legacy is based on his LW at WW fights then? Where he mixed wins and losses against the best he met.

    That's not really top 10 material. A final revision seems to be in order.
     
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  11. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Who wouldn't mix losses in series with the level of opponents he fought? His resume is as stacked as you'll find anywhere, especially given the relatively small amount of fights he had in comparison to many of those men.

    Not top 10 material, in my opinion, but could easily be within the top 20.
     
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  12. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If we're doing revisions, try this one on for size:

    1. Harry Greb
    2. Ray Robinson
    3. Henry Armstrong
    4. Bob Fitzsimmons
    5. Sam Langford
    6. Ezzard Charles
    7. Roberto Duran
    8. Packey McFarland
    9. Joe Gans
    10. Benny Leonard
     
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  13. McGrain

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    I think 18-24 is about right for him.
     
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  14. McGrain

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    How you figuring this when Langford has better wins at basically every single division they both fought at?
     
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  15. Bokaj

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    Tell me some about McFarland.
     
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