P4P top 30 post yours, Ring Magazine?

Has nothing to do with power or style, his resume is not that good and his recent performances have been sketchy, including a near defeat against a 2nd tier fighter at 108. He's not fighting the best at 108 and the comp at 100 was horrible, it's a shallow division.

Shouldn't be over a guy like Montiel, who's gained some solid wins impressively as of late and it's even more insulting for him to be over Mijares, who's unified two titles in his division and has beaten his opponents much more convincingly.

Calderon is also not the best technical fighter right now. He's great at defence, but utilises range and pot shotting for half of it, that can't compare to defensive wizards who use an array of technique to avoid getting tagged while countering in range and in the pocket, against superior competition at that.

The only reason Calderon gets mentioned so much is because some posters started mentioning him, which then everybody follows as usual. If people would actually watch his fights, they'd see what I'm talking about.

 

its hilarious for someone to say that having MArgarito in the top 30 is absurd and then put guys like Dzinziruk in top25

Montiel at 13?

 

Dzinziruk is a better fighter than Margarito. Tell me, what does Margarito's resume consist of? And his general performance level against B fighters and up? If you want Margarito top 30, then you naturally need Williams and Quintana above him, which Williams top 30?

Montiel at 13, yes. What's the issue? He's the 2nd best in his division, his KO 4 of Castillo is better than anything Calderon for example has done, yet Caldy is routinely ranked top 10.

 

Amsterdam; you left out Taylor from your list, what gives?

And BTW I admit I rank Cunningham higher than most, but I think that the #19 or 20 or whatever I gave him isn't absurd. The guy trains HARD and goes to fighters hometowns to win so I give him a little extra for it

 

Props to you guys who make these lists, its not for me.

Hey Amsterdam I like the idea of your top 2. But Calderon is great, and I thought you just went off what you saw on film. Not really his fault about the lack of comp, no?

 

1) PBF
2) Pacquiao
3) Calzaghe
4) Cotto
5) JMM

 

Do you even need to ask?:yep

Just because he trains hard and travels doesn't mean he has the performance level, H2H ability or resume to be in the top 20 P4P.

His most recent wins were close over Wlodarcyzk in Poland and stopping Huck late, both very average fighters at best. He also dropped a loss to Wlodarcyzk as well, completely fair decision at that. Top 20 P4P?:huh

Adamek just schooled a better opponent than anybody Cunningham has fought, is he top 20? No.

 

Yeah, I think people respect Cunningham for his bravery and make that respect affect their judgement of him. People impressed with his performance in the Huck fight should watch Huck's last fight, which showed exactly what level he is and how badly he deals with pressure.

 

This is my list, Ive tried to be as honest as possible and give credit where credit is due in terms of fighters I do not like or rate as highly as some on here (i.e. Pavlik et al) but here goes.

• 01 Floyd Mayweather Junior
• 02 Manny Pacquiao
• 03 Miguel Cotto
• 04 Joe Calzaghe
• 05 Christian Mijares
• 06 Israel Vasquez
• 07 Juan Manuel Marquez
• 08 David Haye
• 09 Rafael Marquez
• 10 Chris John
• 11 Joan Guzman
• 12 Ivan Calderon
• 13 Mikkel Kessler
• 14 Kelly Pavlik
• 15 Chad Dawson
• 16 Wladimir Klitschko
• 17 Nate Campbell
• 18 Jermain Taylor
• 19 Juan Diaz
• 20 Bernard Hopkins
• 21 Winky Wright
• 22 Fernando Montiel
• 23 Shane Mosley
• 24 Ricky Hatton
• 25 Nonito Donaire
• 26 Oscar De La Hoya
• 27 Antonio Margarito
• 28 Joel Casamayor
• 29 Steve Molitor
• 30 Arthur Abraham
• 31 Lucien Bute
• 32 Antonio Tarver
• 33 Vernon Forrest
• 34 Carlos Quintana
• 35 Paul Williams

 

1) Pacquiao
2) Marquez
3) Calzaghe
5) Cotto
6) Vazquez
7) Pavlik
8) Rafa Marquez
9) Campbell
10) Mijares
11) Haye
12) Montiel
13) Klitschko
14) Calderon
15) Abraham
16) Williams
17) Margarito
18) Hopkins
19) Hatton
20) Mosley
21) Guzman
22) Donaire
23) Bute
24) Dawson
25) De La Hoya
26) Juan Diaz
27) Casamayor
28) Juan Manuel Lopez
29) Quintana
30) Luevano

 

Some tweaks from my list earlier this month.. With Mayweather gone, Pacquiao takes the #1 spot Abraham moves to #11 over Kessler after his impressive KO over Miranda..

01. Manny Pacquiao
02. Joe Calzaghe
03. Miguel Cotto
04. Juan Marquez
05. Bernard Hopkins
06. Israel Vazquez
07. Rafael Marquez
08. Kelly Pavlik
09. Ivan Calderon
10. Cristian Mijares
11. Arthur Abraham
12. Mikkel Kessler
13. Wladimir Klitschko
14. Antonio Margarito
15. Ricky Hatton
16. David Haye
17. Chad Dawson
18. Jermain Taylor
10. Shane Mosley
20. Chris John
21. Joshua Clottey
22. Joan Guzman
23. Lucian Bute
24. Nonito Donaire
25. Steve Molitor
26. Antonio Tarver
27. Fernando Montiel
28. Edison Miranda
29. Juan Manuel Lopez
30. Jorge Linares

--Honorable mentions: Paul Williams, Juan Diaz, Celestino Caballero

 

El Matador's Top-30 Pound For Pound Rankings (As of June 25th)

1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Joe Calzaghe
3. Miguel Cotto
4. Israel Vazquez
5. Juan Manuel Marquez
6. Wladimir Klitschko
7. Bernard Hopkins
8. Kelly Pavlik
9. Ivan Calderon
10. Rafael Marquez


11. Arthur Abraham
12. Antonio Margarito
13. Cristian Mijares
14. Shane Mosley
15. David Haye
16. Mikkel Kessler
17. Ricky Hatton
18. Chad Dawson
19. Jermain Taylor
20. Joan Guzman


21. Chris John
22. Fernando Montiel
23. Antonio Tarver
24. Nonito Donaire
25. Joshua Clottey
26. Lucian Bute
27. Juan Manuel Lopez
28. Jorge Linares
29. Paul Williams
30. Celestino Cabellero

 

I like your list.

 

:rofl at Calderon over Mijares in some of these lists.