P4P top 30 post yours, Ring Magazine?

I'll make my current list in a bit, my other one was filled with problems due to unresolved matches.

But Calderon doesn't even belong in the top 15, much less top 10, people just post him there due to heresay.

 

So you don't think Calderon's top 10 material nor you don't like me having him ranked above Mijares.. Who cares? It's my own list.. Make a list of your own and go by that..

I happen to think Calderon is one of the most skilled fighters in boxing today and it isn't his fault there isn't that much competition around his division.. He's 5 ****in' foot so he can't really move up in weight without giving up a lot of height advantage.. He's reckonized by a lot of people as a top p4p fighter as well by The Ring.. Just because you think Calderon isn't top 10 material doesn't make it wrong..

 

Top 30 Pound-for-Pound:

1. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Joe Calzaghe
4. Miguel Cotto
5. Juan Manuel Marquez
6. Kelly Pavlik
7. Israel Vasquez
8. Cristian Mijares
9. Rafael Marquez
10. Bernard Hopkins

11. Wladimir Klitschko
12. Shane Mosley
13. Jorge Linares
14. Ivan Calderon
15. Chad Dawson
16. David Haye
17. Ricky Hatton
18. Tomasz Adamek
19. Joan Guzman
20. Chris John

21. Oscar Dela Hoya
22. Arthur Abraham
23. Ronald Wright
24. Jermain Taylor
25. Steve Cunningham
26. Nonito Donaire
27. Mikkel Kessler
28. Cory Spinks
29. Joachim Alcine
30. Steve Molitor

 

Firstly, if you watched his last fight you would know he is not a P4P fighter yet (I say yet because he is still fairly young). Dzinziruk fought to a 50/50 controversial decision with Lukas Konecny, a fringe contender at 154 lbs (probably somewhere around #300 P4P).

Secondly, Dzinziruk has a pretty undefeated record and fought well in his title winning effort against an older Santos, but if you actually watched him fight you would know that he does not belong in the top 40 pound-for-pound.

On resume, he also does not belong in the top 40 pound-for-pound. Hell, he is 35-0 yet boxrec's computer ranks him at #8 in his own weak division (behind 29-3 Jamie Moore)!

As I said he is young and can change for the better, but simply not there yet is the verdict for Dzinziruk.

 

Here's mine, taking both accomplishments an H2H into account:

1) Joe Calzaghe
2) Manny Pacquiao
3) Miguel Cotto
4) Izzy Vasquez
5) Juan Manuel Marquez
6) Kelly Pavlik
7) Cristian Mijares
8 ) Rafael Marquez
9) Wladimir Klitschko
10) David Haye
11) Bernard Hopkins
12) Mikkel Kessler
13) Arthur Abraham
14) Ricky Hatton
15) Paul Williams
16) Ivan Calderon
17) Jermain Taylor
18 ) Chris John
19) Nonito Donaire
20) Fernando Montiel
21) Antonio Margarito
22) Steve Molitor
23) Chad Dawson
24) Joan Guzman
25) Shane Mosley
26) Lucian Bute
27) Tomasz Adamek
28 ) Jorge Linares
29) Steve Cunningham
30) Juan Manuel Lopez

 

He isn't top 10 material. It IS his fault, he didn't face the 2nd best minimum in the world at the time and is electing to fight the limited Cazares again in a rematch, he will likely not fight Solis or anyone else. It's not his fault it's a limited set of divisions, but that doesnt take away the fact that it's a limited set of divisions, how is that not clear?

Not to mention, he's a limited fighter. It's ludicris to rank him top 10 P4P when there isn't even a B+ level fighter for him to face, and he struggles with the likes of Cazares.

 

Andy, youre avatar is ridiculous, in a good way. :good

 

I like youre list, thought I was bold for ranking WK at eleven!

Kessler is much too high, Margarito is perhaps a bit high, but other than that it's a pretty respectable list.

 

Kessler was a tough one to rank for me. He was a unified titleholder in one of the deepest weight classes in the sport, dominated everyone but Calzaghe on Joe's turf, and I rank him high on the H2H aspect. At the end, that offset not having a deeper resume although I can completely understand someone dropping him because of that.

 

I see. For me he showed lot of weaknesses in the H2H aspect recently (not being able to press/finish limited fighters until the desperately late stages , getting intimidated by Calzaghe's pressure mid-fight, being too robotic, being predictable, inability to adapt), but on the other hand, he has very solid basics, an expert jab, and good power, so it is a subjective call.

Agreed that on the resume front Kessler does not deserve a top 15 rating at all.

 

Glad I didn't spend more than 10 minutes on that one...

1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Joe Calzaghe
3. Israel Vazquez
4. Juan Manuel Marquez
5. Miguel Cotto
6. Rafael Marquez
7. Mikkel Kessler
8. David Haye
9. Bernard Hopkins
10. Christian Mijares

11. Joan Guzman
12. Kelly Pavlik
13. Shane Mosley
14. Fernando Montiel
15. Lucian Bute
16. Joachim Alcine
17. Nate Campbell
18. Chad Dawson
19. Wladimir Klitschko
20. Juan Diaz

21. Arthur Abraham
22. Ricky Hatton
23. Steve Cunningham
24. Ivan Calderon
25. Nonito Donaire
26. Steve Molitor
27. Takefumi Sakata
28. Sergei Dzindziruk
29. Jermain Taylor
30. Winky Wright

 

Best looking list I seen in this thread. I agree with it about 98%. I would have Haye inside the top 15, and I don't think Linares should be top 15. His best win is a shot Larios...but great list.:good

 

wheres winky wright god damn

 

Sandman.... Miranda at 28 and Juan Diaz is out??

Diaz unified 3 belts at 135, was a fighter of the year candidate, and only has one defeat on his record. Most people had him right below top 10 P4P right before the Campbell fight. No way Miranda should be ahead of Diaz.