P4P: Which has more Weight to you, Accomplishment or Who would beat Who?

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  1. PaddyD1983

    PaddyD1983 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    How?

    BHop has wins over Tarver and then KP and WW at 170lbs.

    In comparison Joe has wins over Lacy, Kessler and B-Hop. All at a natural weight for the opposition.
     
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  2. asero

    asero Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    pav was a heavy favorite before that match..yet, bhop toyed him...that win is bigger than jcal's win over the two legends combined
     
    asero, Feb 13, 2009
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  3. PaddyD1983

    PaddyD1983 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Pav was favourite due to BHops defeat to the said Calzaghe.
     
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  4. sprika2

    sprika2 Active Member Full Member

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    because their skills means nothing unless they beat the MAN
     
    sprika2, Feb 13, 2009
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  5. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    Accomplishments.
     
    GazOC, Feb 13, 2009
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  6. jase hill

    jase hill Member Full Member

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    Mmmm. Maybe because JC retired undefeated with Bhops name on his record and Bhop lost two fights to JT not all that long ago. Tarver was a decent win and no more.
     
    jase hill, Feb 13, 2009
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  7. jase hill

    jase hill Member Full Member

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    Hey Arseo what has Pavlik done really, beat JT and a whole host of poor fighters. He is another hype job
     
    jase hill, Feb 13, 2009
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  8. asero

    asero Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    pac have tons of accomplishments, but PBF stays unretired, pac would always be behind PBF in the p4p rankings. that is because if they fight, PBF would still be favored to win. P4P to me is that the public concedes that the #1 fighter can not be beaten...not the only who accomplish more
     
    asero, Feb 13, 2009
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  9. ninebar

    ninebar Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :good


    When i make my list's I'm looking at recent accomplishments and Quality of Opposition, Unifying titles is also a big plus for me.
     
    ninebar, Feb 13, 2009
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  10. asero

    asero Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    when was the last time when a lower ranked fighter is favored to beat a higher ranked fighter?
     
    asero, Feb 14, 2009
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  11. quiet man ruiz

    quiet man ruiz Member Full Member

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    P4P is based purely on how effective of a boxer someone is, relative to their weight.

    Acomplisment has nothing, zilch, zero bearing on this. Though certain accomplishments/wins can be used as evidence of how effective of a boxer someone is.
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    quiet man ruiz, Feb 14, 2009
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  12. asero

    asero Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    well said:good
     
    asero, Feb 14, 2009
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  13. huggerfree

    huggerfree Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Accomplishments - Tangible
    Who beats who - peronal bias, nationality, etc
     
    huggerfree, Feb 14, 2009
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  14. asero

    asero Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    that's why the p4p list should be done by a panel
     
    asero, Feb 14, 2009
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  15. Damo1712

    Damo1712 Boss Full Member

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    I think accomplishment has more weight
    nevertheless who beats who has to be taken into account

    60/40 in the favour of accomplishment
     
    Damo1712, Feb 14, 2009
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