P4P: Which has more Weight to you, Accomplishment or Who would beat Who?

purist panel tend to give more weight to classical styles. Calazaghe and pac at disadvantage

 

Even though Calzaghe beat Hopkins?

So Kessler is a better win than Wright.
Calzaghe beats Hopkins.
Hopkins beats Pavlik
Calzaghe beats Jones

And Hopkins deserves a higher ranking. Doesn't work out. The only way this would work is we severely overrated Pavlik.

 

I'm not taking anything away.

On the basis of those 3 results its very difficult to work out the logic of placing him higher. Calzaghe beat him, and you admitted Wright was not a better win than Kessler. So then, beating Pavlik must make up for both of them. I'm wondering how that is possible.

 

co sign

 

He wasn't in the top 25?

I would have liked to have seen your top 25 at the time that being the case.

 

Agreed - I believe the winner was going to be defo top 10 - or at least the prefight build up intimated that would be case.

 

WBW all the way. Everybody jerking off over accomplishment is the reason I abstain from p4p discussions.

 

Recent Accomplishments ko 1 who might beat who.
I rank boxers on their talent and accomplishments.

 

The former is directly inferred from the latter, which in turn is interpreted based on accomplishment. However, by accomplishment I mean the manner in which opposition was beaten relative to their quality, which is a more complex formula than simply "quality of opposition", which unfortunately isn't always even strictly adhered to in a literal sense by the majority of proponents of it as the main recipe for determining p4p greatness. People often mistake "name recognition/past achievement/achievement in other weight classes irrelevant to the fight at hand" with "quality".

ie Beating an opponent of your own weight, who currently has stock as a high quality and relevant entity at that weight, and beating them soundly = major p4p points in my book. Barely beating an opponent who maybe campaigns seven to ten pounds (or more) away, had their best years five (or more) years ago but is ten times more famous and won five times as many titles and had a stellar amateur career and beat many other "name" fighters (...earlier in their career, and at a different weight) = not so much in my book, but OMG AMAZING GOAT in the eyes of 90% of the people who make or pay attention to p4p lists.

 

there can a be a matchup of the styles where inferior fighter wins. that is when there is an exception.

but lopez caballero isn't a styles thing.
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