Pac and Henry Armstrong comparison.

You maybe right. You can't expect a good PPV if you ask people to shell out $50 every week.

 

There was a thriving boxing gym on every other block in cities like NY, LA, Chicago, Detroit, Philly, etc when Armstrong was a pro. Boxing was the second most popular sport in the US at the time (baseball was number one).

There is not a 1 million to 100 ratio of fighters today compared to the 30s and 40s. That is 10,000 times the number of boxers.

And the quality of fighters are diluted when you have 68 "world" titles to shoot for.

 

The numbers was taken in random for an example. Popular in one country does not mean popular in all, was considering worldwide in conjunction.

Quality of fighters are not diluted because of the stupid multiple belts in each class, but it does mean less when obtaining a championship belt without unifying.

 

He beat Baby Arizmendi, one of the greatest Mexican fighters of all time (and a more accomplished fighter than any of the big 3 today), on 3 seperate occasions.

He should've gotten the decision over Philllipino Ceferino Garcia at MW (outweighed by 12 pounds), but was robbed of the decision only to be given a draw. He did, however, UD Garcia (again, outweighed by 12 pounds), in their earlier Welterweight bout.

He beat Juan Zurita, another one of Mexico's finest of the era, by KO in 2 rounds.

He beat one of the best Puerto Ricans of all time in Pedro Montanez, again by stoppage.

These are just semantics anyway, as the best fighters of that era were far and away American fighters, and he was consistently beating the best from Featherweight to Welterweight while nearly always the smaller man in the ring. In short, he was beating whoever they put in front of him, regardless of size or nationality, and doing it repeatedly.

You're just spouting irrational nonsense for the most part.

 

Yes, a whole lot actually, of their careers and their skills. Just because your knowledge of boxing is obviously basic and pedestrian doesn't mean the same applies for everyone else.

 

1. Ceferino Garcia of the Philippines does not represent the whole Phillipines at that time. He was a representative of who the American administrators think was worhty to represent their cause from what stronghold they held at that time. They ain't got a stronghold on Pacman's teritory during those times.
2. When you're talking about Mexico, you're simply imputing on what the writers were saying at that time. Mexico had never had a grand contest to determine who to send to the States to represent them in such a fight ; rather pick a known Mexican and dubbed him the pride of MEHICO for such a fight. Such is the folly of journalism on those times...Read your history and try to reconcile the events as they happen with the culture and congest it to reality...

 

Do you really believe this, or are you in fact just trolling for a laugh? You're talking directly out of your ass with no basis on fact. Anyone can research the careers of the above-mentioned fighters, their resumes, and film of most, and come to their own conclusions. You're obviously very limited in your knowledge if you think passing them off as hype-jobs is going to get you anywhere when such an assertion is so easily and readily available to be disproved. You're a fool, in short.

 

Try reading the books of your so called greats and analyze who they thought were great and it will all boil to same thing...only Americans and English...Then reconcile it with history!!! They are mostly talking about American and British fighters> the only active people in that sports at that time...!!!

 

Read History first and then come back...!!!

 

I'm outa here now...

 

Are you ok bud? Try reading what people are saying before trying so hard attacking them. Both side have some good points, and I was the closest one to agreeing with you although not as vicious when trying to get my point through.

 

Nothing is stopping them from unifying and proving themselves the best in their weight division. 5 or 10 defenses as undisputed champion means more than 20+ defenses as one of four titleholders. Everyone talks the talk, how many are walking the walk?

IF it is their peak weight, why can't they weigh-in the day of the fight? They can't, because it isn't. Weighing in as a featherweight and stepping into the ring as a junior welter would favor many past era fighters.

Yeah, a fighter can win titles in multiple weight divisions that weren't there before. But they aren't proving as much when you have four titles to shoot for. By winning the title, are they now the number one fighter or only number four? When they defend against the number ten contender, is that challenger really number ten or is he number forty?

The most dominant fighter is the undisputed champion who defends against his true (not alphabet) number one contender once a year. Marvin Hagler is the best recent example IMO. He was undisputed his entire reign. With only one title to shoot for, challengers had to EARN their shots. The division was a minefield with major upsets happening left and right. When Hagler overpowered these contenders for the belt, it was proof that he was at another level.

Somehow today skill means that a fighter has quick hands, slick footwork, sticking & moving from the outside.

Past fighters had to fight often to earn money and they had to fight to make sure that the fans came back. Many were vicious in-fighters who punished and overpowered their foes in the trenches.

They didn't have all the high-tech cameras taping those fights from multiple angles where we could see the subtleties of their styles. And as I said in a previous post, we have seen countless examples of fighters with seemly every advantage losing to slower, cruder fighters.

I've been a boxing fan since 1971. The first fight I ever saw was Frazier-Ali 1. Before the internet, I bought every boxing magazine on the rack. I have four old Ring Record Books.

I had 11 amatuer fights as a teen. I got cable as soon as I could afford it. I never miss a fight; PPV, HBO, Showtime, USA, ESPN, Fox Sports Net, Univision, Telefutura.

I'm not a boxingf guru but I have never personally met anyone not in the biz who knows as much as I do about the history of the sport.

 

When a guy was fighting two or three times a month, they didn't have time to get outta shape or time to get into trouble. They had to constantly train so they are always learning. They are also learning by facing many different styles as well.

They fought sick, they fought injured, they fought when they weren't fully healed from their last fight. If they lost a fight or two, it was looked at as another learning experience. They didn't have time to sit around and cry about it because they were back in the thick of it within a week or two.

Fighting 20-30 times a year made fighters conditioned, smart and tough

 

Are you some kind of ****ing communist? Fighters aren't government pawns. They are the epitome of individualism. They aren't chosen by some committee. They don't kiss ass, they kick ass. When they do, the fans take notice.

And back in the 30s, nobody knew what a journalist was. They were reporters. Major cities had multiple newspapers. Fans went to the fights, they knew if a report was truthful or BS. The writers didn't get together after the bout to make sure everyone was telling the same lie. They were in competition to sell their newspaper and had deadlines to meet.

 

Only the welter one was legit.

Granted there was no 140 lbs. division back then, but with today's boxing landscape where fighters only fight 3 times a year, if Pacquiao were to beat the former (and last true) 147 champ in PBF, that would be incredible since Pac would have the lineal titles at:

112
126
130
140
147 (arguable since PBF "retired," but has not been defeated and his layoff was much like Tszyu's...and KT's lineal title was still recognized when he passed it to Hatton)

I would say that Armstrong's achievement was more impressive especially since he did it simultaneously, but fitzgeraldz, you are sounding like a straight hater if you're gonna sit here and tell me that PBF's achievements surpass Pac's by far, especially since he was only lineal at 3 weights (130, 135, and 147...not all at the same time)